When are you going fully electric?

[Simon]

When petrol triples in price - perhaps you'll become a bit more concerned.

Ah. Arguing a valid real point. With some hypothetical one. Interesting.

My point, which I’m wondering why I have to explain, is that efficency isn’t the only purchase decision for a car. Be that mpg or M/kWh.

Some of the cars being discussed are dull as dishwater but being compared to genuinely good cars (cars not EVs) by a single metric (or in your case two metrics, as price seemed to be a bigger factor)

 

[Simon]

I dont know anything about this youtuber.... or even if it is a photoshop job (those mountains of bikes look sus to me)

but can this be true? if it is that is criminal (skip the 1 min long advert near the start)

China is Throwing Away Fields of Electric Cars - Letting them Rot!

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So much waste.

 

[dlockers]

I dont know anything about this youtuber.... or even if it is a photoshop job (those mountains of bikes look sus to me)

but can this be true? if it is that is criminal (skip the 1 min long advert near the start)

China is Throwing Away Fields of Electric Cars - Letting them Rot!

Grab the most badass wallet in the world, there are incredible Father's Day bundles right now! (massive discount link): https://shop.ekster.com/serpentzaHund...

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The comments alone make that video seem very suss. Also all their images of China are cherry picked as being the absolute worst vistas lol. Such click bait American mouth frothing nonesense. Totally noncredible.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Yeah but look how many clicks his wallet advert must be getting now...

 

[Hawk Tuah]

Ah. Arguing a valid real point. With some hypothetical one. Interesting.

My point, which I’m wondering why I have to explain, is that efficency isn’t the only purchase decision for a car. Be that mpg or M/kWh.

I'm not even sure what we're arguing about. Or that we were arguing.

Clearly, efficiency wasn't that high up on our list, as we're going for the least efficient car that was on our shortlist. But, it's lack of efficiency - and hence the lower effective range and ongoing £/mile is my main concern about it. I suspect I'm also not alone in that concern hence them having to offer Q8s at a big discount to shift them.

Incidently, other cars that were heavily discounted are all similarly inefficient. iX1, EQB, EQC, iX, iX3 and i7.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

I guess he would use his EV in that case for commuting…

 

[Hawk Tuah]

Cheers, appreciate the feedback - we're forced to go through a couple of "lease companies" who I don't think give good deals - it's jsut set prices and don't get the "spot specials" - I'm trying to get them to speak directly to Tesla who have deals on Model Y at the moment and slahsed prices

One other thing I remember with the Enyak. The car sitting in the dealership had an electrical fault with the 12v battery showing on its dashboard.

Not the best advert.

 

[Sinbad2000]

Indeed, the thing is people project what they want on to what everyone else needs. I will not have a Tesla about me, terrible cars with poor suspension, utterly bland boring styling. Also the fact they only work with OPD is a deal breaker for me. I personally want a good car that happens to be electric and super charger network, efficiency and infrastructure don't matter to me.

For others the EV parts and tech that Tesla excel at are key and I understand that.

For the record with a new software update you can reduce the regeneration strength, and you can set the car to either roll or creep when it's stopped, neither of which is OPD any more.

 

[Penfold101]

For the record with a new software update you can reduce the regeneration strength, and you can set the car to either roll or creep when it's stopped, neither of which is OPD any more.

I like the Mercedes layout - you can increase or decrease the braking affect of regeneration using (what used to be) the gear shifters on the steering wheel. I drove a hybrid Jeep in Iceland that had two settings switched using a button on the centre console, and it was fun trying to make the car brake at the right rate to reach a junction of it's own accord without using the footbrakes.

I have the best holidays...

 

[jpaul]

I suspect I'm also not alone in that concern hence them having to offer Q8s at a big discount to shift them.

I took this as they have excess production capability for these pretty expensive rrp cars, and, playing the long game, they will make money on the second hand market, meanwhile the first hand owner gets a bargain
(somewhat akin to tesla selling into rental car market and no longer offering USA leasors on their scheme a purchase option at end of lease - the long game, with 2nd hand assured used car supply)

what yearly mileage have you signed up for ? personally commute is 10K on its own, so allowing for w/e use I'd need 15K

 

[Hawk Tuah]

We've put down 12k. Which is roughly what my wife does now in her diesel. I only do about 7k. So, if we need to cut the mileage a bit, she can use the Nissan for her short commute and I'll do the school run in the nice new Audi.

 

[sandys]

I do wonder why all of a sudden efficiency is so important with EV and everything else is ignored

Is it not because most people buying them are doing it to save money be it on tax or fuel? Better efficiency is not a bad thing.

More efficient cars rapid charge ‘faster’ in that they get more miles of range back for time time plugged in which is the key metric for rapid charging along side cost.

Even more beneficial for home charging when you've only got 7.4Kw/h going in at home you are adding a lot more miles to something doing 5 mpkw vs something doing 2.5. Tesla shows it can do efficiency and peformance hopefully it gets better.

 

[dlockers]

I often worry about the efficiency of my M3 too

I do wonder why all of a sudden efficiency is so important with EV and everything else is ignored

Because the range sucks if you are doing a spirited drive and need to get home.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

Once it comes, I'll be able to see what it really does - being driven like I do with my Nissan.

From my EV/hybrid experience, I've found that how you drive it can make a significant difference to economy.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Because the range sucks if you are doing a spirited drive and need to get home.

Same as any car really, I genuinely don’t know how I can get below 2miles/kWh in mine and there’s few cars than can cover ground as quick at 8/10ths when making progress.

 

[dlockers]

Same as any car really, I genuinely don’t know how I can get below 2miles/kWh in mine and there’s few cars than can cover ground as quick at 8/10ths when making progress.

? If I do a spirited drive in my petrol car I can drive probably no further than 2 miles and have full range again. If I do that in my EV I need to write a business case based on current range/required future range/ability to charge.

 

[Simon]

M3 means ICE M3. Not some model 3 short name

 

[ICDP]

? If I do a spirited drive in my petrol car I can drive probably no further than 2 miles and have full range again. If I do that in my EV I need to write a business case based on current range/required future range/ability to charge.

You really do post some nonsense.

 

[dlockers]

M3 means ICE M3. Not some model 3 short name

I understood it as ICE ME.

You really do post some nonsense.

?

Edit: oh youre salty from getting told about the NHS Car lease scheme lol!

 

[Simon]

Because the range sucks if you are doing a spirited drive and need to get home.

Whys it matter if you get a big battery and want a performance orientated EV though. Speed is the killer of range rather than accel anyway.

Drive some more Ev. You won’t get much below 200 in an ipace no matter how you drive it in my experience unless you sit at 100mph

Also if you drive fast so you need to charge there’s always that drive slower no charge needed view. Or of course just leave earlier.