everything I read in the start of that article - levitating furniture, appearing images etc - and more impressive stuff, I've seen on stage at Derren Brown shows and the like - so in my opinion that magician isn't worth being called that, if he claims that sort of thing couldn't be done as a trick. aside from that, seriously - they claim it's proof of an afterlife and apparently the afterlife involves moving tables and 2nd rate parlour tricks? seriously? how is that proof of an afterlife? they claim it's a spirit/ghost? ok, identify who it is and prove it.
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I think when you put it like that it would be of course ridiculous to believe it.
What if there is another way to explain it? Such as an energy type that we do not yet understand. Give it time and we will be able to explain everything.
Everything you have just have just said he would have known how to do as a trick?
There are, of course, other phenomena taken seriously--such as veridical near death experiences that might explain the existence of "ghosts" scientifically, so what exactly is your point?
Juxtaposed to the fanatics that expect you to believe everything are those that don't believe anything.
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I refer anyone who cares to post number 200, where I make my actual position clear. The most important part is that, contrary to the story dowie has made up, I haven't expressed any belief in anything regarding Area 51 and/or the Groom Lake site in it.
Where did the paranormal go?
I don't care what you believe to be true about Area 51. Many people believe many things about it and nobody can prove any of them. You're not going to goad me into further responses and I am not going to copy you. I will do nothing more than refer people to post number 200, where I made my position clear.
I'm aware of what your position is and your summary of the allegations, the simple request is for you to provide a source for this claimed plausible hypothesis etc... I've not made up any story (you seemingly have), I'm questioning a claim you've made and that you so far haven't supported.
Referring to post number 200 doesn't answer the question:
Is there - where? Who put forward this hypothesis?
Alleged by whom?
Who? Which people?
That's all I'm asking for - what is the source of these claims?
That isn't unreasonable, you keep on replying as though I've asked something else. I've not claimed you've said that has definitely happened, I've not requested absolute proof that the supposed allegations are true.
I'm simply asking what the source is? Who is making these allegation? Do you have a link please so I can read further myself?
Referring to post number 200 doesn't answer the question:
Is there - where? Who put forward this hypothesis?
Alleged by whom?
Who? Which people?
That's all I'm asking for - what is the source of these claims?
That isn't unreasonable, you keep on replying as though I've asked something else. I've not claimed you've said that has definitely happened, I've not requested absolute proof that the supposed allegations are true.
I'm simply asking what the source is? Who is making these allegation? Do you have a link please so I can read further myself?
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If you're not going to take my words as my words, it's obvious that you're just making stuff up for your own reasons. So yes, once again I refer people to post 200 for what my position actually is. Anything else you claim is my words is not. How can I be clearer than that?
Where did the paranormal go?
It is when you already know that the claim is true.
The "claim" being referred to is solely that some people think something was moved from Area 51/Groom Lake to somewhere else. Which is known to be true - someone made that claim right here in this thread, for example. I am not and never have claimed to know that it happened, only that some people think it happened. If you actually cared, you would have already found many sources for the claim that some people think something was moved. But you don't care - you're just being argumentative for the sake of it.
Anyone who cares about what my position really is (which is probably nobody, including you), can see post number 200.
No the other person didn't specify much with regards to their claim, you claimed there was some plausible hypothesis, people believe something has been etc.. I've simply asked who? Do you have a link?
I don't know the claim is true at all and it is becoming more likely, from your continual reluctance to provide clarity on where it has come from, that it is something you've come up with yourself.
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Penn & Teller are two of the World's greatest Magicians, they have a series called Fool Us and they get caught out many times but they do not claim that the person who fooled them must be proper magic.
I was fortunate to go and see James Randi who does all that type of stuff using magic and even had a million dollars up for grabs and I've also seen Derren Brown performing paranormal tricks.
Anyone who cares about what my position really is (which is probably nobody, including you), can see post number 200.
I agree that there shouldn't be. But I'm quite happy to continue to refer people to what I've actually written.
He was there to ascertain from his professional experience whether or not he witnessed any evidence of trickery. He did not. He did go one further by arguing that what he witnessed could not have been performed as a trick. You can't blame the guy for giving his opinion based on forty years worth of experience whether you believe him or not.
Just because he couldn't fathom out how it might have been a trick means nothing. So what?
Did you read this golden nugget:
And poof!...all credibility and claims of the paranormal are gone.
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He didn't fathom it out, Magicians are being fooled all the time and 40 years of experience means bugger all when somebody is better.
Amazing, my spirit guide will run off if it knows a cameras is about.
A lot of people don't know about the Fox Sisters who were basically responsible for Modern Spiritualism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_sisters
They spawned a nation of people becoming spiritualists and people going to see spiritualists and then confessed on their death bed how they did it.
It was too late and the gullible carried on.
I have about 4 FB friends who visit mediums/psychics/fortune tellers/etc and come away amazed at how much the "spiritualist" knew about they're lives.
Except these are the same friends who plaster every moment of their lives on social media, but yeah, the "spiritualist" contacted supernatural entities....