Where do you stand with regards to the death penalty?

ringo747 said:
Against it mainly due to the fact that someone could lose a life for something they didn't do.

I'm all on for harsher punishments though.
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but its ok to lock someone up for life for something they didnt do?


death penalty should be for crimes that has no doubt.. serial killers, rapists etc

better to get rid then let them rot in a cell for the rest of their lives
 
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britboy4321 said:
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You know what, that's probably the best defence against the death penalty I've heard. I can totally see where you are coming from re cure rather than kill and I agree that society benefits from this more than a death penalty ever would.

I think the death penalty as an idea in the perfect little world of my own mind works, in reality it just couldn't and doesn't.
 
the problem with the current justice system is that when someone commits a crime, they take from society (in one form or another)

and when they go to prison, it costs society more to house them in prison

what needs to happen is to find away that the punishment for crimes in some way contributes back to society
 
bloodiedathame said:
semi-pro - 1) Similarities: rich heritage, licensed gun ownership, monarchy and government, judicial system based on Europe's, climate, economy, infrastructure, social welfare system, relatively small gang problems.
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Ironically it may be the Japanese gangs that have an influence on the murder rates, broadly speaking from what I know of the country there is a very healthy fear of the Yakuza so they may prevent much in the way of "disorganised" crime. It's a theory, not one that is supported by too much evidence yet but then it would be difficult to prove either way. Stereotypically there also tends to be much more reverence for your elders and a much more hierarchical society in Japan.

While there are undoubtedly some similarities as you highlight I still strongly suspect that for better or worse our society is more like that of America.

bloodiedathame said:
2) Impossible to prove really, I've highlighted in my response to Ahleckz some of the possible causes. Regarding correlation, it is the point I was trying to make with Ahleckz as well, that although the figures show the death penalty is not a deterrent, that could be purely correlation without factoring in cause.
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I'd agree, we can't prove causation either way at the moment (although I've seen more evidence to suggest it isn't a deterrent) but in such cases I'd choose the option that causes least harm - which is not to reintroduce the death penalty.

bloodiedathame said:
I don't believe that S.Arabia or Qatar have justice or society we should specifically aim towards due to the fact that our lifestyles are vastly different.
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I don't believe they offer a justice system that we should aspire to either but since they've apparently got even lower murder rates than Japan they must be even better according to the theory that capital punishment is a deterrent. Of course, that's far too simplistic but it's a point that statistics can be utilised for multiple different purposes and may illustrate issues that you had no intention of highlighting.

uvarvu said:
Against.
What about using something gruelling and nasty like hard labour as a deterrent?
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Does it offer a deterrent though? What evidence is there to show that it does?

Paul11 said:
but its ok to lock someone up for life for something they didnt do?
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No it's not but at least with life imprisonment there's a much better chance that you can release them and they may live out the rest of their natural lives so while it's no ok to imprison someone wrongly it's not quite as final as executing them which allows no option of redemption.
 
hood1971 said:
Against the death penalty for a few reasons.

Barbaric
No proof that it is a deterrent
Far more costly than life sentence

But mainly because of the sheer amount of errors that are found in evidence.

For people who think that something like fingerprint evidence is conclusive should do some reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_McKie
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why does it have to be costly? just get a gun and shoot them in the head. why do people have to make it so complicated. these people dont deserve to lilive
 
vonhelmet said:
Japan also has a spectacular train service. Therefore, if we improved our train service, our murder rates would go down.
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I'm almost sold on that argument, I suspect anyone who uses the Tube regularly during rush hour would feel the same...

coltpython3 said:
why does it have to be costly? just get a gun and shoot them in the head. why do people have to make it so complicated. these people dont deserve to lilive
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I'm not however sold on this argument - it is costly because of the safeguards necessary, I don't give a damn for any legal system without adequate safeguards in place to help mitigate the risk of executing the innocent.
 
p4radox said:
I'm firmly against the death penalty. It has no place in a civilised country: I think it's a "step too far" in terms of punishment.
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So, what would you say, if someone kill your whole family mother, father, wife, sister and brother then rape your kids then burn them alive. ? ha:confused:
 
Muzy said:
So, what would you say, if someone kill your whole family mother, father, wife, sister and brother then rape your kids then burn them alive. ? ha:confused:
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And what would you do that would make you feel better or do anything to bring them back? Or prevent such crimes happening in the future?
 
Muzy said:
So, what would you say, if someone kill your whole family mother, father, wife, sister and brother then rape your kids then burn them alive. ? ha:confused:
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You think someone seeking vengeance for some horrific set of circumstances they're in should be used as a benchmark for the State when dealing with criminals?
 
semi-pro waster said:
Of course, that's far too simplistic but it's a point that statistics can be utilised for multiple different purposes and may illustrate issues that you had no intention of highlighting.
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The Japanese statistics I posted were as counter-facts to those posted by Ahleckz, which were of exactly the same nature. You're right in that I had no intention of highlighting other statistics, because that's not what we were basing the argument on at that time.
 
Muzy said:
So, what would you say, if someone kill your whole family mother, father, wife, sister and brother then rape your kids then burn them alive. ? ha:confused:
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I'd say all sorts of ****. But that has nothing to do with whether the death penalty is right or not. In that situation I'd be in no fit state to decide anything.

Besides, if you go down the route of retribution or revenge, where does it end? I don't see the justice system as being there to provide revenge for the appeasement of the victim, merely punishment and deterrent aimed at the transgressor.
 
If they are 100% guilty then the death penalty should be used and should be carried out within seven days of the verdict.
 
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