Where is the first floor?

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And the thread hits page 13.

For reasons of demnon avoidance some buildings pretend not to have a 13th floor. This of courses poses the classical logic challenge of how many apples do you get then?
 
Mr Badger said:
And the thread hits page 13.

For reasons of demnon avoidance some buildings pretend not to have a 13th floor. This of courses poses the classical logic challenge of how many apples do you get then?
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This is actually done for reasons of correcting the apple paradox and has nothing to do with Demnons!

GF - 1 apple
1 - 2 apples
2 - 3 apples
3 - 4 apples
4 - 5 apples
5 - 6 apples
6 - 7 apples
7 - 8 apples
8 - 9 apples
9 - 10 apples
10 - 11 apples
11 - 12 apples
12 - 13 apples
14 - 14 apples
 
Dis86 said:
Gilly, your picture is a terribad example as the area under the shack doesn't count as part of the structure. It is simply the ground. It does not have a ground floor as the floor is not level with the ground. The floor of the shack would simply be referred to as the floor.
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It's not my picture, but clearly demonstrates what Lysander was saying is wrong.
 
D.P. said:
Not in languages that are mathematically correct like matlab, Octave etc.

The reason many language start arrays at 0 is due to some nastiness related to poplar languages like C in the 70s. In a language like c an array is really just a pointer to a memory location, the array index is just an offset of the initial memory pointer. This was also done in early languages due to memory issues and size constraints. e.g. an 8 bit unsigned int has values form 0 to 255 because zero is needed in this instance. if the arrays started at 1 then there could only be 255 entries and not 256. But these days the array index will be a 64 bit number, therefore if you start at 0 you have 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 values, if you start at 1 you have a mere 18,446,744,073,709,551,614 values which inconsequential.

Thus languages like matlab start at 1. E.g. a list of length 10 has valid indices 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10. The first index is 1, the last index is 10.
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And I thought I was a geek for mentioning arrays in the first place?! :p
 
Dis86 said:
Rare but then you'd be entering on to a basement level and ground would still be the ground level floor.

Easiest to think of ground as a datum
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Ya my works building has entrances at floor -4 but they are typically round the back with the main plaza at street level. However, I'm sure some must have main entrances on a minus floor too, as the back entrance is at street level also at the back..
 
Gilly said:
It's not my picture, but clearly demonstrates what Lysander was saying is wrong.
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It actually doesn't. Below the house is nothing, no operation, no personnel, no furniture, it is clear that it is neither a habitable or working space and is irrelevant to the floor naming or numbering system. The floor that you walk in on, behind the front door, would be called the ground floor.

And of course it's your picture, you chose it to illustrate a point. That's like saying these aren't my words, I just chose them to construct a sentence.
 
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Lysander said:
It actually doesn't. Below the house is nothing, no operation, no personnel, no furniture, it is clear that it is neither a habitable or working space and it irrelevant to the floor naming or numbering system. The floor that you walk in on, behind the front door, would be called the ground floor.

And of course it's your picture, you chose it to illustrate a point. That's like saying these aren't my words, I just chose them to construct a sentence.
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What if you were to string a hammock across between the posts?

In fact, lets take that a step further.

What if that was in fact a 2 storey building, but the entrance is 1 level above ground level, so ground level is actually the second level you enter.

Surely, by the logic of the numbering system starting with the first floor you enter, that would make the ground level floor the second floor, since it's actually the second floor you enter?


*note, it's ground level, not first level
 
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howiepoohs said:
Stairs as using a lift to go up one level is incredibly lazy.
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That's what my Dad thought when he was on a business trip to the US many years ago an needed to go to the next floor.

So he used the stairs

Only to find that (On this building anyway) there was no way of getting from the stairwell back into the building!

So there he was in the stairwell on the 60th floor (Or whatever) banging on the door until a bemused American opened it for him!
 
I have no apples and I really want one. Therefore Lucy's apple count is 0.

Bob gives me his apple. Lucy's apple count is now 1

Bob is a teasing ******* and takes the apple back, Lucy's apple count is now 0.

Bob is actually mental and declares 0 doesn't exist and there for the logical number below 1 is -1.

0 needs to exist ... think of the apples
 
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