In elevations isn't the ground represented by 0?
If I drew you a sketch of a ball being kicked from the floor, and asked you to find out how far from the ground it was at it's highest point would you not make the ground = 0?
Where is the first floor?
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In elevations isn't the ground represented by 0?
If I drew you a sketch of a ball being kicked from the floor, and asked you to find out how far from the ground it was at it's highest point would you not make the ground = 0?
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no i would start at 1, this god awful thread doesnt start on the 0th page, it starts on the 1st page and goes on and on and on and on and on to the 15th (and counting)
no i would start at 1, this god awful thread doesnt start on the 0th page, it starts on the 1st page and goes on and on and on and on and on to the 15th (and counting)
If you made the ground=1 you would be 1 out from the correct answer, assuming you carried out your calculations correctly
. Just the same as naming the ground floor the 1st floor which is one out from the correct answer, which is 0. 
no i would start at 1, this god awful thread doesnt start on the 0th page, it starts on the 1st page and goes on and on and on and on and on to the 15th (and counting)
But if you then turn the image of the ball being kicked into an XY graph, the starting point would be (0,0). Only when it's kicked would it move on the X and Y axis.
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Yes the ground is 0
The floor however is 1
The ground is what you stand on outside of the building. The FLOOR is what you walk on after you walk through the front door
no i would start at 1, this god awful thread doesnt start on the 0th page, it starts on the 1st page and goes on and on and on and on and on to the 15th (and counting)
Like so many other people you're missing the point. SOME things start at one and SOME things start at zero.
Pages, books, manuscripts, start at page 1.
Stairs and ladders etc begin with the first elevation. Not at ground level.
How about a multi-storey barn which only has dirt (the same as outside) on the lowest storey?
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That's not a floor, hence 0
So one storey up would be the first floor?
That's why I don't like your numbering system - there's no consistency, as there's no fixed point of reference
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So one storey up would be the first floor?
That's why I don't like your numbering system - there's no consistency, as there's no fixed point of reference
well I didnt want to say this yet, but 15 pages in I guess it's time
The English language is great......the same word can have numerous meanings
ie....the word Floor
Floor can mean a physical structure, or it can mean an elevation or tier
We have 50% of posters discussing one meaning, the rest the other
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No your missing the point, when you are talking about any scenario where negatives have the possibility to exist you need to include zero. Books, Porn Mags, Forums all start from page one because that is the long engrained convention, and it's not inherently wrong. There is no scenario where they need to worry it won't work because nobody is ever going to go to page -1.
If however I created a radical new type of forum where discussion was made much better with the possibility of having negative numbered pages I would now need a 0th page. Zero needs to exist in any scenario where a negative value is possible!
So in the scenario of buildings where we are talking elevation and have the possibility of going into negative numbers zero needs to exist. The most logical place to put the zero is on the ground floor, therefore if we dig down we go to -1 and if we elevate up we go to 1.
The number system chaps, it's been about for quite a while, I suggest we use it!
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If you invented a time machine, today would be day 0
still missing the point though
Floor = Physical structure
Floor = Tier or Elevation
The FIRST floor a builder lays down on the foundations
The FIRST Elevated / Tiered floor
still missing the point though
Floor = Physical structure
Floor = Tier or Elevation
The FIRST floor a builder lays down on the foundations
The FIRST Elevated / Tiered floor
well I didnt want to say this yet, but 15 pages in I guess it's time
The English language is great......the same word can have numerous meanings
ie....the word Floor
Floor can mean a physical structure, or it can mean an elevation or tier
We have 50% of posters discussing one meaning, the rest the other
LOVE IT
Well it seems a bit silly to use the "surface you walk on" meaning when talking about floor numbers, since taken to it's logical conclusion, a single storey of a building could have several floors - after all the marble floor of the lobby is a separate floor to the tile or vinyl floor of the bathrooms and the carpet floor in the restaurant, so by the time you get to the second storey of the building, you're actually on floor number 12!
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a floor is still a floor be it marble, concrete, wood
a chocolate bar is still a chocolate bar be it bounty, mars, snickers
when I fall over, do I not fall on the floor?
a chocolate bar is still a chocolate bar be it bounty, mars, snickers
when I fall over, do I not fall on the floor?
I think, in a roundabout way, we're saying the same thing. I agree that where negatives are possible, 0 needs to exist. That's a very good way of putting it. Even if your house or flat doesn't have a basement now, it could at some point.
Yes, but a floor made of marble, is not the same "surface you walk on" floor as a floor made of carpet. Or are you arguing that it is?
In which case, why is a floor made of pavement (i.e. outside the building) not classed as the same floor?
They still have a page 0 - the cover.
If your defining the cover as page 0 then sure, I can go with that. It doesn't change anything I said though, in fact it enforces it.
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for the cover to be classed as page 0, it cant be a page
If your defining the cover as page 0 then sure, I can go with that. It doesn't change anything I said though, in fact it enforces it.
Having looked it up, a cover is not a page.
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