which 4tb ssd for nas 24/7 use ?

R3X

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hi been out the loop with ssd tech, was wondering which ssds are reliable for running 24/7, going to be used for media downloads (4k videos) so lots of writing/reading and deleting.

Seen the WD red nas SSDs, WD blues, Samsung Evo 4TBs and qvos, was considering the WD reds due to price and nas use but not sure if I could just get the others since they are cheaper ?
 
Why are you thinking of using SSDs for downloads?

If you want silence then get a 2.5” HDD.

Any 3.5” drive would easily be capable of what you want from it.

Most consumer SSDs are rated for well under 1 DWPD, so unless your hammering gigabit Internet 24/7 it’s very unlikely you’d wear out any SSD in any meaningful timespan.
 
FreeStream said:
Why are you thinking of using SSDs for downloads?

If you want silence then get a 2.5” HDD.

Any 3.5” drive would easily be capable of what you want from it.

Most consumer SSDs are rated for well under 1 DWPD, so unless your hammering gigabit Internet 24/7 it’s very unlikely you’d wear out any SSD in any meaningful timespan.
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Thanks I did not consider a 2.5" hdd for better noise, I was considering the SSD due to less spinning parts and hopefully better reliability, less heat and no noise
Over the spinning mechanical drives.

For DWPD is mechnical spinning drives better then SSDs ? I will check into dwpd still, I don't mind sticking with which ever is reliable at end of day.
 
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a value for HDD DWPD.

They do wear out but i suspect that’s millions of cycles rather than a few thousand, I.e. you’d never get there.

Ultimately nothing about your needs screams SSDs to me.

If this data is really precious then buy two disks and mirror them up regularly (not necessarily RAID!).

SSDs fail too.
 
If you need the most reliable consumer grade then go for the Samsung 850 PRO 4TB (10 years of warranty + MLC). Otherwise go for the Samsung 860 PRO 4TB (5 years of warranty + MLC).

I'm trying out the Samsung 860 QVO 4TB (3 years of warranty + QLC). Based on reviews at Amazon US, 13 out of 3450 lost data. I assueme it acceptable for RAID 5, as this is already much better than any HDD I've seen.
 
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cheers, yeah I think I am going overkill will stick with standard cheaper mechanical drives for now.

I have had SSDs stop working within 2-3 years (samsungs and oczs, sandisk ) but generally found the 3.5" WD nas reds and Samsung ssds to be longer lasting but it can still happen !
 
R3X said:
3.5" WD nas reds
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Agreed, I've got a QNAP 6-bay and i've had 4 Reds in there since i bought it 4-5 years ago and not a jot (touch wood) has gone wrong with them. Also, if you do go down the Reds route, i've found it cheaper to go direct to the WD website
 
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cheers, yeah I think I am going overkill will stick with standard cheaper mechanical drives for now.

I have had SSDs stop working within 2-3 years (samsungs and oczs, sandisk ) but generally found the 3.5" WD nas reds and Samsung ssds to be longer lasting but it can still happen !
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Anything can die!

I've had a range of SSDs, including ones I've run in my server as cache drives. None have died yet but it is statistically irrelevant.

If your going 2.5/3.5" HDD just make sure you avoid SMR drives...
 
FreeStream said:
Anything can die!

I've had a range of SSDs, including ones I've run in my server as cache drives. None have died yet but it is statistically irrelevant.

If your going 2.5/3.5" HDD just make sure you avoid SMR drives...
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thanks will avoid the smr ones, that wd thread is an interesting surprise !
 
frustin said:
Agreed, I've got a QNAP 6-bay and i've had 4 Reds in there since i bought it 4-5 years ago and not a jot (touch wood) has gone wrong with them. Also, if you do go down the Reds route, i've found it cheaper to go direct to the WD website
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hdd red died soon as I posted that message should have touched wood as I posted it :)

still it lasted 4-5 years but imo it cost a bomb like £300+ back then, left wondering if these NAS drives are any good probably easier and cheaper just to get a normal hdd and with the money saved can buy another one at similar size and just back up onto that ! No wonder why everyone is just shucking lately.
 
R3X said:
hdd red died soon as I posted that message should have touched wood as I posted it
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yeah, as i was typing it, i thought, this is when mine will die. :) If you're replacing go to WD website...the 3 and 4TB Reds are cheapest on there, also make sure you get the higher cache ones.
 
frustin said:
yeah, as i was typing it, i thought, this is when mine will die. :) If you're replacing go to WD website...the 3 and 4TB Reds are cheapest on there, also make sure you get the higher cache ones.
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Yeah doing some research now on it, someone on the other thread said his newer red wds clicked..... and its normal. So I have to check into this since that would be very annoying!

Wd also have a 10% off code if you sign up to the newsletter and 15% if you sign up to the student or over 60 club so looking at the options there.

This is becoming an expensive week doing nothing.
 
I got a large number of vm running off a single ssd and recommend ssd if you got lots of data to throw around. Im using a micron 5100max 960gb ssd. Being an enterprise ssd you get extra reliability features like power loss capacitors etc.
Can get 1.92tb micron 5200max drives for under 200 quid which is good value.
Rated at 5 dwpd.
 
Cyber-Mav said:
I got a large number of vm running off a single ssd and recommend ssd if you got lots of data to throw around. Im using a micron 5100max 960gb ssd. Being an enterprise ssd you get extra reliability features like power loss capacitors etc.
Can get 1.92tb micron 5200max drives for under 200 quid which is good value.
Rated at 5 dwpd.
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Yeah I spotted those on flebay but when I questioned a seller he told me no warranty on them 4tb microns enterprise and there around £350-400, you could get a WD blue nas 4tb for £350 with 5-year warranty or £100-140 a red nas with 5-year warranty.

I am unsure if these nas or enterprise drives really do last the distance having 2 Nas drives (WD red and Seagate) perish this lockdown, I think one youtuber said it best it's not if the hard drive could fail but when.

Still, I would love to be wrong on the above and enterprise drives really do last the distance.

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you and me both know that there's no way that clicks are "normal" operating noises.
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haha I know it's that old school mentality, I still get my head around engineers designing a hard drive and adding a click noise to it suggesting it will actually
make the drive more durable.
 
Im not sure how reliable ssd's are, some could say they are super reliable as they dont have any moving parts. But you hear stories from people "One day the ssd worked fine and the next the computer wouldnt detect the ssd", but that can happen to any drive, ssd or hdd. All you can do to minimize failure buy a decent brand and if your data is real important, back it up. I backup my 4tb of media data to tape.....

Anyway this is my 2 pence worth.
Get ssd's if you want low power, max speed and completely silent. I think storing video and audio files onto ssd is a waste, but each to their own.
Get the the WD reds non-pro's for low power and are designed for 24/7 use.
Get the the WD reds pro's or gold for speed and are designed for 24/7 use.
Get the 2.5" drives for extra low power and near silent running, but quite slow

For reliability who knows, because any drive can fail at anytime.. Just go for the top brands and keep the temps of the drives as low as possible.
 
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frustin said:
i'm not familiar with SMR what bearing does that have?
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Fails to rebuild pre-filled RAID, or gets kicked out of RAID after sustained random writing, and hence causes the whole RAID at the risk of crashing and losing data.

If you follow the recent industry news bashing WD for pushing SMR into their RED product line you'll figure it out.
 
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