Which card for PhysX

[kylew]

Has any PC websites ever done any benchmarks with and without a PhysX dedicated card? This would be the best way to see how much extra fps you actually get using a PhysX dedicated card for games like Mirrors Edge, Batman Arkham Asylum and Mafia instead of guessing GPU usage.

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[Shaftydude]

Fixed.

 

[coupe69]

Do I have to have an nVidia graphics card and play games with PhysX to be able to hold an opinion about PhysX?

You're hardly the voice of experience with PhysX then?

Certainly I would say not qualified to tell someone this:

PhysX is NOT worth £100.

Seriously would you trust someone who's never really tried PhysX (apart from a quick play on mirrors edge and a few videos he's seen on youtube) to give you sound advice on whether it's actually any good or not?

 

[kylew]

You're hardly the voice of experience with PhysX then?

Certainly I would say not qualified to tell someone this:




Seriously would you trust someone who's never really tried PhysX (apart from a quick play on mirrors edge and a few videos he's seen on youtube) to give you sound advice on whether it's actually any good or not?

A quick play? A few videos? Where did you get that from? I don't need to have thorough experience on something to be able to hold an opinion on it. You are come out with some weird weird concepts.

How about replying to the rest of my post too?

 

[Final8y]

You're hardly the voice of experience with PhysX then?

Certainly I would say not qualified to tell someone this:




Seriously would you trust someone who's never really tried PhysX (apart from a quick play on mirrors edge and a few videos he's seen on youtube) to give you sound advice on whether it's actually any good or not?

This is a visual thing not a real life physical experience, the comments from the people who are playing with Physx & the many videos is enough to go on. You don't need to play something first hand to think that the effects look like rubbish.
Game play is another matter tho.

 

[Razor Time]

A quick play? A few videos? Where did you get that from? I don't need to have thorough experience on something to be able to hold an opinion on it. You are come out with some weird weird concepts.

It makes that opinion more valid though. Imagine a site like Hardocp doing a review on hardware they have never tried. Would anyone take their review seriously. I think the answer would be no.

This is a visual thing not a real life physical experience, the comments from the people who are playing with Physx & the many videos is enough to go on. You don't need to play something first hand to think that the effects look like rubbish.
Game play is another matter tho.

To be fair I would rather play with physx on than off. I actually quiet like the physx effects in this game/demo like the smoke, explosions, crumbling walls etc.

I dont how ever agree that physx should be tied to one make of gpu everyone should have the same in game effects regardless of the make of their gpu.

 

[r0cky]

I've just upgraded from 8800GT (G92) to GTX 460 (GF104), my idle power usage has dropped 30W. Idle use is what I care about, it's what adds up in the long-run. No way I'm going to put the 8800GT back in for PhysX, it's so loud being the original single-slot cooler.

I have an 8400GS for TV output and a 3rd monitor. I might upgrade that to a GF106 or GF108 depending on whether there's any benefit to PhysX or not. Or I might just get another GTX 460 (GF104) and run SLI and let PhysX just run as it needs across the two.

 

[Final8y]

It makes that opinion more valid though. Imagine a site like Hardocp doing a review on hardware they have never tried. Would anyone take their review seriously. I think the answer would be no.





To be fair I would rather play with physx on than off. I actually quiet like the physx effects in this game/demo like the smoke, explosions, crumbling walls etc.

I dont how ever agree that physx should be tied to one make of gpu everyone should have the same in game effects regardless of the make of their gpu.

Of course most people would play with it on, the issue is would i pay extra for it & in my case no.

DLC would i pay extra to play those maps in MW2 no, would i play those maps if it was free yes.
If you have an NV card you get it free, now lets pretend that NV did not have the policy of no physx with other makes of GPU in the system & that anyone could buy a NV for physx with ATi card many would still not buy one.

For me physX is no more than having a higher effects quality setting in game that you have to pay to unlock if you dont have a Nv card & even if i did have a NV card i would not buy another to improve the physX, if its not up to the job i would turn physX off, what it adds is just not worth it to me.

 

[Razor Time]

I totally agree with you mate. I used to run a 4870X2 before I upgraded and I had an unused 8800gtx laying about. I didnt even consider putting it in my rig just to play a few games that had physx. I just couldn't be arsed with the hassle of running hacked drivers and dumping another gpu's heat load into my loop (8800gtx was watercooled) just for a few physx games.

I think its a shame that allot of people wont experience a game in its full form as a game company has limited themselves to physx. Physx IMO should be for all with devs paying nvidia a small licensing fee for using this tech and also pay for support. Unfortunately I dont think this will ever happen, which could be the downfall of Nvidias physx.

 

[Final8y]

I totally agree with you mate. I used to run a 4870X2 before I upgraded and I had an unused 8800gtx laying about. I didnt even consider putting it in my rig just to play a few games that had physx. I just couldn't be arsed with the hassle of running hacked drivers and dumping another gpu's heat load into my loop (8800gtx was watercooled) just for a few physx games.

I think its a shame that allot of people wont experience a game in its full form as a game company has limited themselves to physx. Physx IMO should be for all with devs paying nvidia a small licensing fee for using this tech and also pay for support. Unfortunately I dont think this will ever happen, which could be the downfall of Nvidias physx.

Its a hard situation because if the majority of people would have a NV add-in card for physX then it would then be used in a more worth while game changing physics way but that's not going to happen & will be totally not playble to anyone who does not have a NV card or NV add-in card.

With just cause2 they know that DX10/11 is the future & most will be able to play it at some point as long as you have a dx10/dx11 compliance GPU no matter what brand or even if its IGP.

 

[Razor Time]

Its a hard situation because if the majority of people would have a NV add-in card for physX then it would then be used in a more worth while game changing physics way but that's not going to happen & will be totally not playble to anyone who does not have a NV card or NV add-in card.

With just cause2 they know that DX10/11 is the future & most will be able to play it at some point as long as you have a dx10/dx11 compliance GPU no matter what brand or even if its IGP.

+1

If nvidia want physx to do well they have to relax the format and open it up to the masses. Tying it down will only hurt them in the long run.

 

[kylew]

It makes that opinion more valid though. Imagine a site like Hardocp doing a review on hardware they have never tried. Would anyone take their review seriously. I think the answer would be no.

I'm not claiming to do a review firstly, and secondly, PhysX is a visual thing. Watching it in a video, or the real game will be no different, the same stuff's going on. Visually, the effects are going to be exactly the same, for example the Mafia 2 PhysX videos, it doesn't take playing the game to see that the effects are rubbish, if I played the game with PhysX on, I'd be seeing the exact same things.

The main problem with PhysX is that the effects aren't very good, and the fact that there are some ridiculous hardware requirements to run these effects. Crysis has some nice physics effects but it doesn't need a dedicated GPU to run them. PhysX is currently a scam and people who are easily convinced they're missing out are the ones falling for it and running out to spend their money on it quickly. The same people will also get angry at the mention of it being rubbish because they feel like you're calling their experience crap.

People like Coupe69 will have you think that I rabidly hate on anything nVidia related, it's simply not true. I'm not denying that I dislike nVidia, there are plenty of reasons, but my dislike for PhysX stems from before it was even owned by nVidia, my opinion is that nVidia have just dragged it down even more. I've always liked the idea of hardware accelerated physics, but PhysX has always been used in such a poor way. He'll probably also try to convince people I hate 3D vision too (becuase it's an nVidia tech of course ), I actually really enjoyed 3D Vision when I've tried it out. I think the effect is great, however it makes my eyes hurt after a while. I'd give it a try if it wasn't nVidia only, and didn't need 120Hz monitors, as I'm not in any hurry to replace my 3 Dell 2408s.

But then this is a problem with nVidia anyway, they like to keep things to themselves and try to lock their customers in to a "platform", clearly why they wanted to try to develop CPUs for desktop computers really.

 

[coupe69]

People like Coupe69 will have you think that I rabidly hate on anything nVidia related, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!!

LOL, I really can't be bothered to argue with you anymore Kyle, crack on with your Nvidia hate campaign, it seems pretty obvious to me most people on here see straight through you anyway.

I do however feel a little sorry for people that aren't quite as clued up coming on here looking for unbiased advice though

 

[kylew]

LOL, I really can't be bothered to argue with you anymore Kyle, crack on with your Nvidia hate campaign, it seems pretty obvious to me most people on here see straight through you anyway.

I do however feel a little sorry for people that aren't quite as clued up coming on here looking for unbiased advice though

Read my whole post and stop replying to the selective bits that you feel "prove" your "point".

 

[coupe69]

I really can't be bothered to argue with you anymore Kyle

 

[gingergamer]

The 5870 can run that PhyX software thing that doest use your hardware just fine.

Heres a video of someone on YouTube running it and getting an average of 60+ fps

 

[kylew]

You're not arguing though, you're picking bits out of my posts and over reacting to them while disregarding the rest of the post I made, so if you're going to reply at all don't do it selectively, because as you've just said, people are going to see through you "too".

 

[coupe69]

You're not arguing though, you're picking bits out of my posts and over reacting to them while disregarding the rest of the post I made, so if you're going to reply at all don't do it selectively, because as you've just said, people are going to see through you "too".

Alright I'm done with this thread then, you really don't know when to give it a rest do you?

 

[kmufc77]

coupe69 i find ignore works a treat mate

 

[coupe69]

coupe69 i find ignore works a treat mate

lol, I just can't bring myself to do it though, he does make for comical reading at times if not a little frustrating