Which 'health' grill?

No idea how others are using their grills in here but I have no problem keeping mine clean and keeping the meat moist.

I think a lot of people whack the grill on full (if it has a variable temp) and then wonder why the meat is dried out. I cook burgers, sausage, chicken, steak and bacon on mine so far and the meat is juicy. I adjust the temp dependant on the food e.g. high for bacon to get it crispy and medium for most other things.

Cleaning - clean it as soon as the food is off by keeping the grill on and using a rolled up bit of kitchen towel and wiping it. My grill plates look as good as new and the grill is 5 years old. In comparison, my parents grill is skanky looking as they don;t clean it till after they have eaten and the fats have hardened. It takes 1 min to clean the way I do.

Grill - George Foreman Grill and Griddle.
 
smit101 said:
It also has very high levels of vitamin D and other nutrients.
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Yeah nooooooooo.

Spend 30 mins in the sun if you’re worried about Vitamin D. Cholesterol is the precursor most steroids (including vitamin D) but there is really no need to go OTT. The majority of lipid intake for most people is in excess, there is nothing wrong with reducing this. I think it is safe to say OP will not be eliminating fats entirely.

And to answer your actual question, I would get one that has washable heating plates as they can be an arse to clean :)
 
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Sider said:
Yeah nooooooooo.

Spend 30 mins in the sun if you’re worried about Vitamin D. Cholesterol is the precursor most steroids (including vitamin D) but there is really no need to go OTT. The majority of lipid intake for most people is in excess, there is nothing wrong with reducing this. I think it is safe to say OP will not be eliminating fats entirely. :)
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I live in The UK, we don't get 30 mins sunshine in a year!:p


I'd much rather obtain my Vitamin D from dietry sources anyway by eating fresh fish/pork etc and benefit from all of the other nutrients within these healthy foods.

The majority of lipid intake for most people is in excess
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I don't believe this to be truth, it would be more accurate imo to state that people eat too much of the wrong kind of fats, processed/denatured fats within processed foods form the bulk of fat consumption in the West, it is these that are damaging to health.

The natural fats/oils from meat/fish/dairy + plant sources such as coconut oil/olive oil are health giving and can/should be eaten more frequently than most people do.

We've all been duped by the inaccuracies of studies such as Ancel Keys Lipid Hypothesis and other misinformation regarding dietry fats that have been circulating for decades. The truth is, heart disease and other cardiovasular illness didn't really take hold until after the introduction of processed/hydrogenated fats/oils into our diets and the drastic reduction in consumption of natural fats. The naturally occuring fats from meats/fish/dairy etc never were the health damaging problem they were purported to be.

All in my opinion of course, but there is a lot of information in the public domain that supports my stance, particularly with regard to Ancel Keys Lipid Hypothesis, this one inaccurate hypothesis has shaped our perception of dietry fats for decades, and when you look at the way the study was conducted and the huge swathes of information that were dumped because it didn't tie in with Keys opinions (approx 2/3rds was dumped because it showed the exact opposite of what Keys was trying to prove!) you have to question the validity of the study and its results.

Anyway I've gone off at a bit of a tangent here, needless to say I don't believe in limiting natural fat intake and regardless of the hype, I'll carry on eating fatty meats, butter, cheese eggs, fish etc, processed junk food is the enemy not natural, honest to goodness foods such as those mentioned.
 
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The truth
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Indeed, eating more good fats and cutting the rubbish has drastically improved my health, along a few other people I've convinced to try it after seeing how I've done.

I have an interesting time every few months having my check-ups when the doctor/nurse comment on how well I'm doing, then they look horrified when I say what I'm eating. I should be eating as little fat as possible, and whole-grains with every meal apparently, just like I was when my health was getting steadily worse.
 
It really is time for health to take note of all the research and change their stance.
And if they aren't confident in the research then they need to commision new research.

Mind me asking what your rough diet is? I keep trying to change to such a diet, but still eating to much carbs and I'm a big fan off takeaway which I really need to cut back.
 
Glaucus said:
It really is time for health to take note of all the research and change their stance.
And if they aren't confident in the research then they need to commision new research.

Mind me asking what your rough diet is? I keep trying to change to such a diet, but still eating to much carbs and I'm a big fan off takeaway which I really need to cut back.
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I basically eat Primal with my carb intake at the low end. It's very similar to Paleo but with a few less restrictions (includes high fat dairy etc..).
 
Glaucus said:
Thanks will give it a read
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If you're interested, I think the easiest way to get into it is to try and 'primalise' whatever you enjoy eating currently.

For me, two regular meals before my issues started were beef chilli and chicken fajitas. For chilli, I basically stopped using the kidney beans, then stopped having rice or chips with it, just have more chilli in a bowl with some cheese and sour cream. For fajitas I do exactly what I used to do, but don't have the wraps, just put everything in a bowl and eat with a spoon. You'll soon realise you're only missing out the fairly boring bits anyway :)

The other thing is to not be afraid asking for menu changes in restaurants, most places don't mind swapping chips/rice/pasta for salad or cooked veg. Nandos is a good choice too, they have various combinations of chicken and salad on the menu anyway.
 
Frankly, I don't really even check my 'fat' intakes. I tend to keep an eye on my Protein, and Carb intake, but fat I ignore. Because, I know I'm not getting any from particularly unhealthy sources.

My diet tends to consist of lean poultry in the evening (minimal fat), and mackerel as my lunch 'meat' (healthy fat).

I have bacon and sausages - more processed arguably, every so often (once a week), and frankly my worst source of fat is probably through the pint of milk I drink a day, and my particular fondness of cheese (300g every 2 weeks).

Fat isn't really the 'unhealthy' demon it's portrayed as.

Why cut the wraps out though? There's virtually nothing wrong with a decent wholemeal wrap.

kd
 
King Damager said:
Why cut the wraps out though? There's virtually nothing wrong with a decent wholemeal wrap.
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Apart from them being nutritionally empty, high GI, gluten containing crap, you're right.

I try not to eat any wheat anyway, but an average wrap is 25-30g of high GI carbs, they'd take a meal which is ~15g of good carbs and turn it into a meal with ~100g of mostly empty carbs. Taking me way over my (self imposed) daily allowance, messing up my steady blood glucose and making me feel like crap for the rest of the day.
 
I need to read up on high and low GI carbs, I quite often feel pretty terrible after eating, and the food I eat seems to relate in some way to how much of a snappy, grumpy bugger I am sometimes. I'm guessing that's something to do with blood glucose, tho I'll need to read up on it some more.

We tend to eat pretty well, we don't usually have anything pre-made, as the GF is an awesome cook and can beat anything bought.

You talk about 'processed' food, what exactly does this mean? Obviously veg and unmolested meat isn't processed, but how far does that go? What about sausages? That's just mushed up meat surely so not processed? Or are we talking about frozen meals and the like?

I generally eat what I deem to be unprocessed food, but what if you make a lasagne, surely that makes it processed food? And what would the difference actually be between that and a bought, frozen lasagne? Surely they both go through the same process?

To simplify, what is processed food and what turns the raw ingredients into 'processed food', and why is it bad?
 
smit101 said:
I live in The UK, we don't get 30 mins sunshine in a year!:p


I'd much rather obtain my Vitamin D from dietry sources anyway by eating fresh fish/pork etc and benefit from all of the other nutrients within these healthy foods.




I don't believe this to be truth, it would be more accurate imo to state that people eat too much of the wrong kind of fats, processed/denatured fats within processed foods form the bulk of fat consumption in the West, it is these that are damaging to health.

The natural fats/oils from meat/fish/dairy + plant sources such as coconut oil/olive oil are health giving and can/should be eaten more frequently than most people do.

We've all been duped by the inaccuracies of studies such as Ancel Keys Lipid Hypothesis and other misinformation regarding dietry fats that have been circulating for decades. The truth is, heart disease and other cardiovasular illness didn't really take hold until after the introduction of processed/hydrogenated fats/oils into our diets and the drastic reduction in consumption of natural fats. The naturally occuring fats from meats/fish/dairy etc never were the health damaging problem they were purported to be.

All in my opinion of course, but there is a lot of information in the public domain that supports my stance, particularly with regard to Ancel Keys Lipid Hypothesis, this one inaccurate hypothesis has shaped our perception of dietry fats for decades, and when you look at the way the study was conducted and the huge swathes of information that were dumped because it didn't tie in with Keys opinions (approx 2/3rds was dumped because it showed the exact opposite of what Keys was trying to prove!) you have to question the validity of the study and its results.

Anyway I've gone off at a bit of a tangent here, needless to say I don't believe in limiting natural fat intake and regardless of the hype, I'll carry on eating fatty meats, butter, cheese eggs, fish etc, processed junk food is the enemy not natural, honest to goodness foods such as those mentioned.
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So much truth. I'm really loving your stance on diet and nutrition :cool:

Mickey said:
Indeed, eating more good fats and cutting the rubbish has drastically improved my health, along a few other people I've convinced to try it after seeing how I've done.

I have an interesting time every few months having my check-ups when the doctor/nurse comment on how well I'm doing, then they look horrified when I say what I'm eating. I should be eating as little fat as possible, and whole-grains with every meal apparently, just like I was when my health was getting steadily worse.
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Again - good to see you posting this sort of info. My cholesterol is under 4.3, but with a high HDL ratio. Yet I eat lots of fats.

I just cut out refined and processed foods. Our bodies were designed to eat animal and natural fats - fats also may even boost testosterone production.

I've read a lot of research, 2 books I particualrly enjoyed from Dr Uffe Ranskov on fat and cholesterol, and there are so many myths out there.

I'd rather eat a nice fatty piece of meat, than a a couple of slices of white bread, or mass produced cakes/breads/batter/sweets/and all other refined/processed foods. It will also be 100% better than me than all those processed foods.

Glaucus said:
It really is time for health to take note of all the research and change their stance.
And if they aren't confident in the research then they need to commision new research.

Mind me asking what your rough diet is? I keep trying to change to such a diet, but still eating to much carbs and I'm a big fan off takeaway which I really need to cut back.
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Carbs are fine - our bodies can cope with them fine - just not all the refined crap that is all around us giving us massive dangerous insulin spikes.
 
godinman said:
I need to read up on high and low GI carbs, I quite often feel pretty terrible after eating, and the food I eat seems to relate in some way to how much of a snappy, grumpy bugger I am sometimes. I'm guessing that's something to do with blood glucose, tho I'll need to read up on it some more.

We tend to eat pretty well, we don't usually have anything pre-made, as the GF is an awesome cook and can beat anything bought.

You talk about 'processed' food, what exactly does this mean? Obviously veg and unmolested meat isn't processed, but how far does that go? What about sausages? That's just mushed up meat surely so not processed? Or are we talking about frozen meals and the like?

I generally eat what I deem to be unprocessed food, but what if you make a lasagne, surely that makes it processed food? And what would the difference actually be between that and a bought, frozen lasagne? Surely they both go through the same process?

To simplify, what is processed food and what turns the raw ingredients into 'processed food', and why is it bad?
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Processed foods are things that need to be modified, or heavily refined before getting on our plates.

i.e. most stuff you can buy in shops that have been wrapped and shipped for days. So, stuff in tins, cakes, biscuits, crisps, some flours, pretty much all breads in supermarkets and even in bakers probably use inferior quality flours and ingredients unfortunately, any food that has to have had something "done" to it to make it in the state it is.

The "best" foods, meats/fish from a butcher/fishmonger, fruit and veg from your green grocer, oils and fats from nuts, avocados, fish, olive oil etc...

Now freshly made bread with good quality ingredients, or even home made cakes are miles apart from the cakes that you buy pre-made or biscuits.
 
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