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Still drawn to an ITX setup though. Looks like I will go that route and cry when spending the money on highly inflated prices! I would go 2nd hand but that route here is blocked.
 
koolpc said:
Still drawn to an ITX setup though. Looks like I will go that route and cry when spending the money on highly inflated prices! I would go 2nd hand but that route here is blocked.
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you should have access to members market section of the forum with that post count? Its a place where long term forum members can buy and sell their used PC equipment.
 
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you should have access to members market section of the forum with that post count? Its a place where long term forum members can buy and sell their used PC equipment.
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I got excluded from it many many years ago and try as I may they won't let me back in...my feedback was 100%...but, these things happen...my bad...
 
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If you want to game on the iGPU and have no interest in getting into the PC GPU purchasing mess then you'll want a Ryzen AI Max or the up coming Lunar Lake iGPUs mentioned but they won't be good value, but they neither is an ITX build.

You also need to remember that system RAM and VRAM are the same thing with an iGPU, so speccing a 16Gb machine will be a poor choice, it can work sure, many handheld PCs cope but it leads to a bit more stutter etc.

Out of interest, why are you drawn to an ITX PC?

Alternatives, if you are going to have something that low spec and power, £300 would do it in a handheld PC, or do some cloud streaming
 
sandys said:
If you want to game on the iGPU and have no interest in getting into the PC GPU purchasing mess then you'll want a Ryzen AI Max or the up coming Lunar Lake iGPUs mentioned but they won't be good value, but they neither is an ITX build.

You also need to remember that system RAM and VRAM are the same thing with an iGPU, so speccing a 16Gb machine will be a poor choice, it can work sure, many handheld PCs cope but it leads to a bit more stutter etc.

Out of interest, why are you drawn to an ITX PC?

Alternatives, if you are going to have something that low spec and power, £300 would do it in a handheld PC, or do some cloud streaming
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I understand what you are saying. My gaming doesn't warrant a stand alone GPU. But, I guess it all depends on the cost involved too. ITX is expensive I know. I like the format. Have had it before.

I have not kept up with tech as much as I used to.

I was looking at the Geekom range. But still, £1,200 for a decent specced one at that. Thing is, I would prefer to build my own PC.
 
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Frankly AMDs integrated graphics prior to Strix Halo are dated at best and as they're all RDNA 3 then its unlikely there's going to be any improvement via drivers. Some of Intel's current iGPUs (ie not Panther Lake) are probably a better bet given XeSS is a good deal more backwards compatible than anything AMD offer.
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Strix Halo is still dated of course it is not RDNA4

I was comparing FSR scaling quality between my 9070XT running on my handheld (eGPU) vs XESS scaling quality on the iGPU and Intel was better, less noise, I think the problem with AMD generally is what level of FSR is supported by what game, requiring hacks to implement latest, lots of games are only FSR3 or less, not FSR4, whereas Intels XESS like DLSS just works to what ever level it is, so if choosing an iGPU I would also be tempted by the latest Intel stuff, my Arc is only Gen1 from a 155H and its has been great since all the updates, obviously slow because it a couple of gen old but Panther Lake will solve that.
 
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Strix Halo is still dated of course it is not RDNA4
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Nobody should be buying the AI Max+ 395 simply for gaming.

There's other SKUs now which keep the 8060S graphics and they're clearly aimed at the handheld/tablet/laptop market as they lose some of the Zen5 cores while retaining fast graphics. We'll see what happens but RDNA3.5 isn't as dead as RDNA3 probably is in terms of drivers.

The AI Max+ 395 SKU is for AI or heavy duty graphics work. For AI you can get over 100GB memory available to the GPU, which has the full 256GB memory bandwidth + MALL available to it. Massive overkill for anything else bar some video editing stuff.

Cut the memory down, cut the CPU cores down but importantly keep the 8060S graphics and you've halved (at least) the cost of the Max+ 395 while keeping pretty much all the gaming performance.

Nobody really knows what Panther Lake (Core Ultra X9 388H) is capable of as Intel is only letting people benchmark games on the reference machine the reviewers get. Cinebench etc is a big no-no for now, so there's obviously a reason for that ;) Their top of the range Panther Lake SKUs won't be cheap either.
 
It’s not that it is dead it is that even if your new RDNA engine exists your old games don’t support it without it being patched in which means its support is limited unless you are a geeky tweaker using the likes of optiscaler etc, the Intel and Nvidia stuff just works.

You can guess where the Panther lake will be, its pretty much going to be what has gone before with a clockspeed bump, 10% if your are lucky but it’ll be plenty.

I don’t see a problem with Strix Halo for gaming apart from price, everything AI needs, games need, bandwidth, graphics cores and a good CPU, certainly some of the new variants will be better balanced for a gaming handheld, I know for my system games often perform better with my CPU cut down to a quarter of its load out having most CPUs disabled.

I wanted to spec a 385 for my SuperX but it was limited to 32Gb in the configurator, I would certainly have opted for a 388 if that was an option but have had to go 395 for the memory config I want, I will probably just disable cores.
 
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Would it be worth me going down the DDR4 route given that I am not into must have tech and high gaming needs?
 
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koolpc said:
Would it be worth me going down the DDR4 route given that I am not into must have tech and high gaming needs?
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I built/upgraded a mini-ATX AM4 machine back in November and the prices have gone up a lot since then but there wasn't a lot in it in terms of cost. Decent AM4 CPUs outweighed the cost of (somewhat) cheaper RAM.
 
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sandys said:
It’s not that it is dead it is that even if your new RDNA engine exists your old games don’t support it without it being patched in which means its support is limited unless you are a geeky tweaker using the likes of optiscaler etc, the Intel and Nvidia stuff just works.
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I agree completely.

However if you go onto a SteamOS device you'll get a lot more updates than you'll ever get on Windows. That's Proton & associated shader updates etc so its entirely feasible to recreate the NVidia "ecosystem" & is why most of the handhelds Microsoft "partners" released last year actually ran games faster when using SteamOS - even via emulation/translation!

I don't think AMD "leadership" are particularly interested in Windows other than in a casual "oh is that still a thing" way, much the same as Microsoft :D
 
SteamOS, bazzite etc, is an irrelevance despite internet hype, such a small pool of players, Windows is still where gaming is at.
 
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I built/upgraded a mini-ATX AM4 machine back in November and the prices have gone up a lot since then but there wasn't a lot in it in terms of cost. Decent AM4 CPUs outweighed the cost of (somewhat) cheaper RAM.
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So, you think a DDR5 system would be worth the extra cost?
 
If you're planning on this being IGP only, then AM4 -G CPUs use Vega which is really dated at this point. I wouldn't want to buy into that anymore.
 
As you were looking at the Geekom range it does not sound like you want to really build anything, just has a quiet little box that does a job, if that is the case look at some alternates, getting back to your original post, I had a look at the Geekom range, they seem fine but there are alternate miniPC builders such as beelink, bosgame, minisforum, Aoostar etc, that will offer these boxes that also have an occulink port, this is for external big GPU in future if you decide that actually I want more GPU power, I would go for one of those.

Interms of CPUs/iGPUs in these boxes currently, you want an AMD HX370(890M) or an Intel 285H (140T) both of these you can game on at 1080p low ish settings on new things maybe 1440p on older titles.

You should find these with 32Gb and 1Tb from £800

Obviously there is the Panther lake chips mentioned, no one knows what these will retail for but they may be a drop in

They will be Core Ultra X9 ???H series with the good iGPU.

The better prospect is the system tamzy specced though, a proper desktop with upgradability, not of this limited miniPC/ITX rubbish :D
 
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I have goneAs you were looking at the Geekom range it does not sound like you want to really build anything, just has a quiet little box that does a job, if that is the case look at some alternates, getting back to your original post, I had a look at the Geekom range, they seem fine but there are alternate miniPC builders such as beelink, bosgame, minisforum, Aoostar etc, that will offer these boxes that also have an occulink port, this is for external big GPU in future if you decide that actually I want more GPU power, I would go for one of those.

Interms of CPUs/iGPUs in these boxes currently, you want an AMD HX370(890M) or an Intel 285H (140T) both of these you can game on at 1080p low ish settings on new things maybe 1440p on older titles.

You should find these with 32Gb and 1Tb from £800

Obviously there is the Panther lake chips mentioned, no one knows what these will retail for but they may be a drop in

They will be Core Ultra X9 ???H series with the good iGPU.

The better prospect is the system tamzy specced though, a proper desktop with upgradability, not of this limited miniPC/ITX rubbish :D
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I have gone off the idea of the ready built boxes...I want to build my own PC.
 
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