Which is better?

Will Gill · 10 Jun 2006 at 00:40

ok you have lost me totally now, you are more likely to crash a fiesta because other ppl have?

face facts, you even admitted you cant remotely afford the coupe, buy a fiesta and move on the coupe isnt within your reach - why you would want something a metro can outperfom is beyond me anyway

in the coupe's defense they do look good, but so do thai birds till you test ride them and find a lack petrol holeage

Cyanide · 10 Jun 2006 at 00:42

Will Gill said:
ok you have lost me totally now, you are more likely to crash a fiesta because other ppl have?

face facts, you even admitted you cant remotely afford the coupe, buy a fiesta and move on the coupe isnt within your reach - why you would want something a metro can outperfom is beyond me anyway

in the coupe's defense they do look good, but so do thai birds till you test ride them and find a lack petrol holeage

I can't afford the Fiesta either though... not without borrowing from them :confused:

I'm not more likely to crash because other people have, but statistically more Fiesta's are crashed than Coupe's. Plus Fiesta's are favourite's of joy riders... especially in my area

[TW]Fox · 10 Jun 2006 at 00:43

Cyanide said:
Coupe's group 9, fiesta's group 5 for a 1.25 Encore. It's more for the Fiesta because, although it's in a lower IG, it's statistically more likely for me to write one off or for it to get nicked simply because less people my age own a Coupe.

See, whilst I'm sure this has a small bearing on things I'm not sure it has quite the effect some people think it does.

Otherwise, why can't a 17 year old insure a Mercedes S Class diesel for less than a Saxo VTR? Surely no 17 year old has ever crashed their Mercedes S Class diesel..

ajgoodfellow · 10 Jun 2006 at 00:45

That's it - there's more to insurance than just groups

If a car has been written of or stolen a large number of times (more than average) then the insurance quotes will go up, regardless of the insurance group

Hence why I can insure a group 15 Audi A4 2.6 for the same price as a group 11 MG ZR 120+. A group 15 Alfa Romeo 147 2.0 is almost double the price!

Cyanide · 10 Jun 2006 at 00:45

[TW]Fox said:
See, whilst I'm sure this has a small bearing on things I'm not sure it has quite the effect some people think it does.

Otherwise, why can't a 17 year old insure a Mercedes S Class diesel for less than a Saxo VTR? Surely no 17 year old has ever crashed their Mercedes S Class diesel..

Because an S class isn't in an IG that a 17 year old could get insured on in the first place?

I'm only going by the quotes that my parent's and I have been given.

Foghorn Leghorn · 10 Jun 2006 at 00:45

Cyanide said:
Mum's done an insurance search too... the Coupe really is cheaper, and tbh I wouldn't care if it was a lil bit more.

I've played the safety card, aparently a Fiesta without ABS or airbags is just as safe as a Coupe with them

And I can't put it on my credit card as the limit isn't enough, and I can't get out a loan big enough to cover the car and insurance, even though I threatened to

There must be some fact to end all facts about the coupe that'll swing it my way

Tell them you'll save up for a motorbike then instead.

Freaked my mother with that one

, differnce was I did, then my brother did and then my sister did. Although apparently it was all my fault at the time :rolleyes:

Fog

Cyanide · 10 Jun 2006 at 00:47

Foghorn Leghorn said:
Tell them you'll save up for a motorbike then instead.

Freaked my mother with that one , differnce was I did, then my brother did and then my sister did. Although apparently it was all my fault at the time

Fog

Already got one at my dad's

Last one I had here that I could use on the roads got nicked

richolmes72 · 10 Jun 2006 at 00:58

Cyanide said:
Gear changes, clutch and brakes an mum's Ka, the 2 Fiesta's and the older Focus I've driven and the transit all feel very similar to me. Even the Puma I drove the other day seemed to be suffering from "tank clutch". I find the steering on the Ka and fiesta quite heavy too.

I'm just used to light and fluffy controls

Tank clutch, on a ford?

Ford clutches and controls are generally quite light, If you want a tank clutch, try a Peugeot!

Play the safety card, in a crash, you're far more likely to survive in the coupe.

btw, have you looked at any other cars other than a 1.1 fiesta and a hyundai coupe?

Still can't believe insurance for a fiesta is more, sure you're shopping around, don't just use those automatic things, go on to NU, Endsleigh, RAC, Directline etc...

Cyanide · 10 Jun 2006 at 01:01

richolmes72 said:
Tank clutch, on a ford?

Ford clutches and controls are generally quite light, If you want a tank clutch, try a Peugeot!

Play the safety card, in a crash, you're far more likely to survive in the coupe.

btw, have you looked at any other cars other than a 1.1 fiesta and a hyundai coupe?

Yeh, mum's other main suggestion was an old Micra, which I can barely fit it

I've looked at other things, but for the price and for how damned sexy it is I just can't beat the Coupe. Plus it's loaded with features that make it equal to a very top level Ford (why are they so tight with the extras?)

Cyanide · 10 Jun 2006 at 01:03

richolmes72 said:
Tank clutch, on a ford?

Ford clutches and controls are generally quite light, If you want a tank clutch, try a Peugeot!

Play the safety card, in a crash, you're far more likely to survive in the coupe.

btw, have you looked at any other cars other than a 1.1 fiesta and a hyundai coupe?

Still can't believe insurance for a fiesta is more, sure you're shopping around, don't just use those automatic things, go on to NU, Endsleigh, RAC, Directline etc...

Used thisismoney.co.uk, Endsleigh, RAC, NUD, my local broker, Budget, Elephant, Tesco and Asda and a seclection of about a dozen or so randomly picked from yellow pages

Will Gill · 10 Jun 2006 at 01:04

so you cant afford either of these cars

why are we discussing them again?

Cyanide · 10 Jun 2006 at 01:17

Will Gill said:
so you cant afford either of these cars

why are we discussing them again?

because I can afford them with the money I was told I could borrow from my parents as I need a car for work.

We're discussing it because they suddenly decided to throw a spanner in the works after I'd made a 60 mile round trip to go car hunting only to decide a Fiesta would be a better car for the same price, even though it's not as safe, as less features, isn't as nice to look at and costs more to insure.

Will Gill · 10 Jun 2006 at 01:19

their money, their choice

as i said earlier they arent about to lend you cash to buy a hyundai coupe, when its your own cash on the line for your kid you will understand their reasoning.

learn to walk before you can run

M0T · 10 Jun 2006 at 01:44

A Hyundai Coupe will do 0-60 in 11 seconds, which is barely any faster than a fiesta. Tell them that it is not a fast car. Tell them also that you are thankful for the loan but you would much rather buy a car that you like than have a car you don't care for because you'll treat it better.

Will Gill: He is borrowing the money from his parents rather than being given it, so I cannot see how they should have more than a passing interest on what he spends it on.

I cannot understand the need of parents to try and influence the car buying decisions of their children. They have already shown they don't know best by trying to convince him to buy a fiesta.

Seems to me to be a method some parents use to try and maintain a level of control in their childs life by using money as leverage. Got to be allowed to grow up sometimes.

n3vrmind · 10 Jun 2006 at 02:45

Hyundai coupes look good? on what planet. older ones look like cheap poor impersonations of a jag and the new ones just look like a poor mans sports car for people in a midlife crisis

i considered these myself and went for a celica, because imo its not trying to impersonate anythin else and looks fairly good in its own right, not much difference power wise but the look of the hyundai really put me off

i wouldnt choose a coupe as a first car anyway, somethin small and nimble is better when you havent been driving long, its much easier to 3 point turn a mini/civic/fiesta/corsa when you havent been driving long, things like all round visibility are much better too.

by the same measure though.. dont let your parents push you into buying some pathetically powered piece of crap.. tell em to stick their kia picanto when it wont see much sunlight. i got a lot of hassle about this and ended up being pushed into getting a 1.1 fiesta

for example if you regularly have to find a gap to pull out at busy junctions on your daily trip to work for example having somethin that takes half an hour to get moving is a real pain
or having a BMW driver riding your rear end on a dual carrigeway trying to force you out the way when you have no power to move ahead of the other lane and pull in
somethin like a 1.3/1.4 should be fine.. not to powerful but not a slug either

Will Gill · 10 Jun 2006 at 02:50

"mum lend me some money for 10 kilos of coke"

"mum lend me some money for a two bedroom property"

one is realistic and worthy of investment, the other isnt, buy a fiesta as your parents intend you too, its their money, no amount of self justification is going to change their mind, regardless of whether the money is lent or given the result will be the same :

fiesta = safe and longevitiy is likely

coupe = omgoogles I look fast lets burnz

thats the way I see it, and im sure the OP's parents do too, walk first, run later.

Pants · 10 Jun 2006 at 03:22

1.25 mk4/5 fiesta = good revvy engine
1.1 mk3 = ****
1.3 mk3 = ****

DO NOT GET A PUSHROD FIESTA.