Which Protein powder?

Why is the former not great? Certainly from a food enjoyment point of view it's terrible, but for a lot of people, especially in fitness, food is just fuel and a way of hitting your goals and not something where they feel they have to find a way to fit pizza in to their macros. I'd say nutritionally, someone eating an "ultra clean" diet of lean meat, wholegrain rice/sweet potato and lots of veggies will be far better off health wise than someone who is trying to fit junk into their diet.

I'm talking specifically about the kind of people whose diet consists of only a dozen or so foods as everything else is deemed unclean or because they like to prep a weeks food at a time and eat the same thing every day - a non-varied diet like this can lead to deficiences, which studies back up (pulled from the Eric Helms metastudy)

Kleiner SM, et al. Metabolic profiles, diet, and health practices of championship male and female bodybuilders. J Am Diet Assoc. 1990 Jul;90(7):962-7.

Kleiner SM, et al. Nutritional status of nationally ranked elite bodybuilders. Int J Sport Nutr. 1994 Mar;4(1):54-69.

Keith RE, et al. Nutritional status and lipid profiles of trained steroid-using bodybuilders. Int J Sport Nutr. 1996 Sep;6(3):247-54.Hoffman JR, Falvo MJ.

I heard a great description of IIFYM once, and it was that it was designed with only how you look on the outside in mind, and not how you look on the inside. And I feel that's so true, getting shredded or not the long term effects on health of eating bad food most days can't be great

That is true if you're working on the assumption that IIFYM is an actual diet - which it isn't - and the majority of people using it only care about hitting numbers, not food quality, which they don't.

I think the problem is places like Instagram give off this impression, but in truth most people only take pictures of their bizarre protein cereal sludge creations and tend not to post the other 80% of their intake since chicken salads or bowls of oats aren't deemed exciting enough. As said, even if you're fairly liberal about food quality in hitting your numbers, the actual composition of most of that kind of food makes it extremely difficult for it to make up a large % of your macros.

The primary difference I've seen between Flexible Dieters and more traditional types is more an attitude thing - the latter will do, quote unquote, cheat days or meals, where as the former just incorporate a similar volume of that food into individual meals or days without the labels or connotations certain foods are good or bad (in isolation, at least).
 
I don't want to drag this thread off topic any more than it already is

But all I'll say to finish is that I'm going to say 90% of people doing IIFYM are doing so to justify their daily fix of junk food and not for the real benefits it can offer. Very few people actually stick to it properly.

That's the trouble with the fitness industry today and social media, these accounts post pictures of their cheat meals and give advice on new training methods, and everyone jumps on that as every one wants to find a way to justify eating crap, or justify doing less cardio or justify less time in the gym. Every one wants an easy ride
 
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