Who hates the Union Flag?
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You are correct in that Wales is deemed part of England for legal reasons, however, it has now been given power to make its own laws, so technically we English should recognise them now as an separate state and give them the same respect as Scotland and Northern Ireland.
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What is the general feeling in Australia in having the British monarch as head of State there and having the Union flag on their national flag ?
I appreciate you can't speak for the nation as a whole or may not wish to but an informed opinion would be interesting.
No, they're both very young. The oldest flag in current use is the Danish flag (13th Century) and the oldest tricolour is the flag of the Netherlands (16th Century).
By contrast, the US flag was adopted in the 18th Century, while the Union flag is a 19th Century invention.
Relevance? There are plenty of Commonwealth countries which don't incorporate the Union flag. It's not obligatory.
They're not part of the UK in any sense at all. Not even "technically in a very roundabout way".
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Yep.
I'd argue the Stars and Stripes is also quite recognisable.
How'd you mean the Union flag is the only one of its kind? A sum of the flags of England, Scotland and Ireland?
Who said that? (cant spot the quote) There are many flags that display union, the stars and strips is an easy one as that is the flag of the union of the 50 american states (displayed by the stars) and the stripes representing the 13 original
The Irish tri-colour displays the truce between catholicism and protestantism within the republic, and thus is sort of a "flag of union"
Only 2 i can think of before getting out of bed....
The majority of Australians want a republic. There is also strong support for a change of flag (though I don't know if it's reached a majority yet). We had a referendum on the republic in 1999, but the question was cleverly worded in such a way as to divide the republican vote, since it did not merely ask "Do you want Australia to become a republic", but required consent to a specific form of republic which is not universally supported amongst republicans. Consequently, many republicans voted against it (along with the monarchists) and the amendment did not pass.
Our Prime Minister at the time was the strongly conservative John Howard (Liberal Party; our equivalent of your Tories), who is openly monarchist and was keen to stifle the republican debate (which he successfully achieved via the skewed referendum). Our current PM is the less conservative Kevin Rudd (Labour Party), who has promised to make Australia a republic. The change is inevitable; it's only a matter of time.
Despite this, many Australians (including some republicans) would prefer to wait until QEII has died or abdicated before changing our system of government. She still enjoys tremendous respect in Australia amongst monarchists and republicans alike.
My own views have changed radically during the past 6 years. When I came to the UK in 2004, I was a strong monarchist with no desire to remove the monarchy or change the Australian flag. I am now a strong republican with a keen desire to remove the monarchy and change the Australian flag, which is an excellent flag in its own right, but irredeemably anachronistic and wholly unsuited to an Australian republic.
This political shift has been largely motivated by my realisation that the Queen is little more than a token figurehead in her own country, and is therefore completely redundant in mine. I also believe it is time for Australia to assert her own identity, acknowledging and respecting her British roots but moving beyond them to a truly independent future as a successful multicultural nation.
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And i hate people who hate others for having an opinion
Canada doesnt have a union jack in its flag...it has a canadian maple leaf now...Canada used to have a union jack in its flag but got rid of it and have been using the current flag since 1965.
And Canada is no longer a part of the UK, they are still part of the commonwealth though...they havent been for a very long time now...the Queen is still head of state in the country ie shes comes over every so often and is still on our coins and notes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Canada
Personally i dont hate nor like the union jack...it makes no blind bit of difference to me...to me its just a flag and has no real significance to me.
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God save the Queen from the marxists dressed up as republicans and that Kevin Rudd is a horrible little man, I think I would rather have brown than him 
Opps, should probably look at waking up before posting...
As flags go, it isn't that bad. The problem with the flag isn't the flag itself, but all the Nationalists who want to fragment the United Kingdom and the Politicians/Political Groups who misuse it.
I'm Welsh and whilst I applaude those people trying to get us represented on the Union Flag, it is going to be an uphill struggle. The Cross of St David would be the most realistic chance of adding Wales to the flag, but that would mean yellow or black being added - personally I think it would look like something from a circus.
Perhaps we should have some rules for the flags, such as each member Country must display their own flag and the Union flag on Public buildings (Schools, Libraries, Hospitals, Town Halls) with the Country flag slightly higher than the Union Flag (except when the Queen visits and her Standard should take precidence over all). Abroad - the Union Flag should be flown.
All Political Parties should be banned from using the Union Flag or the Flag of their respective Country as their logo.
The US seem to have the right idea since they have rules - but saying that they seem to have gone overboard with them - they can be found here:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code
By the way, here's some info on the Union Flag:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_flag
I'm Welsh and whilst I applaude those people trying to get us represented on the Union Flag, it is going to be an uphill struggle. The Cross of St David would be the most realistic chance of adding Wales to the flag, but that would mean yellow or black being added - personally I think it would look like something from a circus.
Perhaps we should have some rules for the flags, such as each member Country must display their own flag and the Union flag on Public buildings (Schools, Libraries, Hospitals, Town Halls) with the Country flag slightly higher than the Union Flag (except when the Queen visits and her Standard should take precidence over all). Abroad - the Union Flag should be flown.
All Political Parties should be banned from using the Union Flag or the Flag of their respective Country as their logo.
The US seem to have the right idea since they have rules - but saying that they seem to have gone overboard with them - they can be found here:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code
By the way, here's some info on the Union Flag:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_flag
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I'd argue the Stars and Stripes is also quite recognisable.
How'd you mean the Union flag is the only one of its kind? A sum of the flags of England, Scotland and Ireland?
I just meant it's quite unique aesthetically, ie it's not a tricolour, square, circle etc.
Yes there's some that are similar, but on the whole it's very unique. Other fairly unique flags also often share similarities with others, ie United States/Malaysia.
God save the Queen from the marxists dressed up as republicans and that Kevin Rudd is a horrible little man, I think I would rather have brown than him
Rudd is not a Marxist; he's a fiscal conservative. In fact, he's arguably even more of a fiscal conservative than Brown.
I am willing to bet that you know even less about Rudd than you do about the imports and exports of the Cocos Islands. What's so horrible about him? Surely you're not a monarchist, Dr Z?
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No probs.Opps, should probably look at waking up before posting...
I quoted a first page post without realising the thread was 5 pages long. I believe that diplomatically all flags flown together have to be placed level to each other. You can't have one flag higher than others.
Ah the design of it? Yeah. Is quite unique in that way.
that's what I meant, I know their current flag, but I was sure they had another flag that is only really used for royal visits etc
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Mother of God... WALES IS IN THE ******* UNION FLAG.
They are NOT a separate state, or like Scotland. Neither, technically, is England. They are "England and Wales".
This aversion to the Union is really starting to **** me off. Scotland are going to destroy this country. If we're nothing on our own in the world, WTF does Scotland think IT will be?
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