Poll: who is at fault here

[bigmike20vt]

(not me on the bike and I am not the old lady either)

it popped up on my watch links for some reason. no argument from me which ever way you side but I genuinely do not know legally who is in the wrong

https://mobile.twitter.com/Rossmac212/status/1609274892058492929

personally whilst I would say the woman should have looked where she was going, I would say the motorbike is going to fast considering riding in the middle of stationary traffic.... but legally I would have no idea.

 

[Deep]

Bike no question

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

The woman no question.

 

[bigmike20vt]

yeah the more i think about it the more i agree its the bike at fault... could have been a kid, and biker should be even more alert when squeezing down queuing traffic.


edit.... oooh the biker just got off the mark with a point as i responded

 

[Whitewater]

Bike. “Only doing 20”!? Slow down.

 

[Brizzles]

Woman is running into the road without looking, rider had no chance to brake

 

[413x]

Bike. Failed to stop, not even sure you're technically allowed to do that in stationary traffic

Woman is a dunce. Didn't look. Assumed nothing was coming. Which it probably shouldn't have been. But still look!

 

[Soupy]

Top marks to the woman though for an instant classic sarcastic retort

Oh yea, the bike was at fault.

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

She literally ran into the road without looking lol. Assuming he wasn't speeding he did nothing wrong. keep speed to a minimum sure but you cannot avoid situations like that.

 

[Bug One]

It's an almost impossible situation. However it's the responsibility to the rider to be aware of pedestrians - especially when filtering.

 

[413x]

She literally ran into the road without looking lol. Assuming he wasn't speeding he did nothing wrong.

Are bikes allowed to zip through? Genuine question?
Ie. Traffic is stationary

 

[tom_e]

Bike. Failed to stop, not even sure you're technically allowed to do that in stationary traffic

Of course you are, he's filtering.

Biker should have been more alert and probably a bit slower. Woman should have actually looked where she was going.

Legally I'd guess the biker is 100% at fault.

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

Are bikes allowed to zip through? Genuine question?
Ie. Traffic is stationary

Quick Google:

Is bike filtering illegal?

Contrary to popular belief, filtering through stationary or slow-moving traffic is not illegal. In fact, one of the many attractions of riding a motorcycle is the ability to get through traffic quickly and safely by filtering, which is a fundamental skill learned by most motorcyclists.

 

[bigmike20vt]

She literally ran into the road without looking lol. Assuming he wasn't speeding he did nothing wrong. keep speed to a minimum sure but you cannot avoid situations like that.

in normal road conditions i would probably agree with you but he was squeezing down 2 lanes of queuing traffic... i am not certain but i think that puts the responsibility on the biker more. Totally agree she should have looked however

 

[StuBob]

Bike. It should be considered in stationary traffic like that in an urban environment there is reasonable chance that there will be pedestrians crossing. The woman perhaps should have been a little more aware herself but ultimately the biker is travelling too fast for the conditions, given the situation, as was evidenced by being unable to safely brake or avoid the old woman attempting to cross the road in stationary traffic. He is the one riding a potentially lethal vehicle and should have been driving it as such.

Ultimately one of those unfortunate incidents where the biker 99.99% of time would come across that without incident and likewise 99.99% of time pedestrian would not be crossing so inattentively at the very moment a bike is filtering.

 

[ivrytwr3]

filtering through stationary or slow-moving traffic is not illegal.

Woman at fault, she tried to nip through what she believed was stationary traffic without looking (and paid the consequences).

 

[413x]

Quick Google:

Is bike filtering illegal?

Contrary to popular belief, filtering through stationary or slow-moving traffic is not illegal. In fact, one of the many attractions of riding a motorcycle is the ability to get through traffic quickly and safely by filtering, which is a fundamental skill learned by most motorcyclists.

In that case. The woman is at fault. No chance to see her in time.

Every day is a learning day.

 

[Lysander]

Bike's fault. She just walked out, but as someone else said, he should have been aware of potential hazards.

 

[Bug One]

It's always the driver/rider with the more dangerous 'weapon' who bears the greater responsibility to avoid an accident.

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

in normal road conditions i would probably agree with you but he was squeezing down 2 lanes of queuing traffic... i am not certain but i think that puts the responsibility on the biker more

Legally it's fine. Even if he was doing the 20mph he claims which he may well have been she still ran into a road without looking. It's totally on her.

Bikers should ride defensively and it's possible his speed was slightly too high, I have no way of checking but you cannot account for people randomly running into a road. He had no time to react at all, even if he was going slower.