Poll: Who on the forums DOESN'T work in IT

Do you work in IT?

  • Yes

    Votes: 364 34.1%
  • No

    Votes: 702 65.9%

  • Total voters
    1,066
Posted before reading up for a few posts

Originally Posted by KaHn
To be classed as an engineer in Germany or other countries you have to be a degree qualified and normally chartered engineer, in this country however any "gas engineer" "electrical engineer" "service engineer" can call them selves that without ever going near a university.

So is being an engineer only attainable by going to university? Im nearing the end of an engineering apprenticeship in the aerospace industry and at the end of it will be a skilled precision engineer. My dad does the same job and has done for 30 years producing aircraft components manually to extreme tolerances his job title has always been a precision engineer and i cant think what else it could be called.
Am i right in thinking you would class this as?

term engineer for technician jobs is like a kick in the nuts for the hard work we do.

Reading your post just got me a bit wound up, im grafting hard to do well at this job and i know that the option is there to work towards becoming chartered however that would require carrying through to a masters degree which isn't really needed for what i want to do as i don't fancy the design/testing side of things. Ive always seen it as being chartered as the top level not as the only level of engineering
If you find being compared to an engineer a kick in the nuts for all your hard work being compared to a technician is a kick in the nuts for all mine.
It takes a hell of lot of training and skill to produce jet engine components from a drawing and a block of material.
 
Nice example, I see what you're getting at now. :D

I've always thought of an electrician and electrical engineer as 2 completely different roles...

Still, if I was in a job I enjoyed, I wouldn't really be too concerned about the title unless it was something embarrassing like a fluffer! :D

A lot of companies make job titles sound more professional, i find it hilarious :D for example, I am a Warehouse Operative, which is basicly putting stuff in boxes.

Im not in IT ATM, but im going to college in september to get my diploma.
 
It takes a hell of lot of training and skill to produce jet engine components from a drawing and a block of material.

Yes it does. But you didn't design them. You didn't develop the first prototypes. So you can't claim to be the engineer of them. At least not with the "proper" usage of the term.

It doesn't sound like you're a "technician" either though.

If you come up with novel solutions to novel problems and have some form of asserting qualification then, generally, you are an engineer.
 
I wonder how accurate this poll will be as many people don't come into GD. Maybe the poll should be posted in one of the computing forums just to see what the results there are.
 
Posted before reading up for a few posts



So is being an engineer only attainable by going to university? Im nearing the end of an engineering apprenticeship in the aerospace industry and at the end of it will be a skilled precision engineer. My dad does the same job and has done for 30 years producing aircraft components manually to extreme tolerances his job title has always been a precision engineer and i cant think what else it could be called.
Am i right in thinking you would class this as?



Reading your post just got me a bit wound up, im grafting hard to do well at this job and i know that the option is there to work towards becoming chartered however that would require carrying through to a masters degree which isn't really needed for what i want to do as i don't fancy the design/testing side of things. Ive always seen it as being chartered as the top level not as the only level of engineering
If you find being compared to an engineer a kick in the nuts for all your hard work being compared to a technician is a kick in the nuts for all mine.
It takes a hell of lot of training and skill to produce jet engine components from a drawing and a block of material.

In this country you are an Engineer, in Germany you would be a skilled technician.

Simple really, regardless of amount of time spent in the industry, again like I said before I am only stating facts I don't care if you wish to call your self a "Precision Engineer" if you were to go and try and get chartered with any board, IMechE or RAES you will be classed as a skilled technician and would never be considered for CEng status, you would have to atleast finish an BEng(Hons) as a minimum for joining as a IEng and having Career Development to go to CEng.

Please don't get me wrong in think I am trying to put you or your job down, its a skilled job, such as certian types of welding, which only a handful of people can do and I have a lot of respect for that, just in this country the terms Engineer and Consultant are thrown around too much, but thanks for proving my point that the majority of people don't know what an engineer is or a technician.

KaHn
 
Yes it does. But you didn't design them. You didn't develop the first prototypes. So you can't claim to be the engineer of them. At least not with the "proper" usage of the term.

It doesn't sound like you're a "technician" either though.

If you come up with novel solutions to novel problems and have some form of asserting qualification then, generally, you are an engineer.

Again I would class Wds as a skilled technician, probably one of the most skilled in the UK for milling out of exotic metals, but what would you class a normal miller? Who produces simple components out of steel?

KaHn
 
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