Who will be getting a Vega card and why?

[David Bisset]

One thing this threads highlights is that both AMD and Nvidia have people trapped due to the monitor they own. I think both companies are as guilty as each other over this. Nvidia I think got their first so AMD released 'Free'sync but it's a shame both companies cant just decide which is the best tech and both move forward with it, unless they're of course vastly different and offer advantages other than of course trapping customers.
Either way being tied to GPU's because of the Sync tech is rubbish

I'm still rocking with a non-sync monitor and loving it

NVIDIA were part of the group that came up with adaptive sync, along with AMD. They're the ones who then chose to only support it on some of their GPUs to try and get extra money from GSYNC.

 

[tres_kun]

i will get a new freesync gpu capable as well
invested in freesync
need more power

 

[Ian Evey]

Yes, and that is great for them as a business. No one disputed that, therefore I fail to see the relevance in this case.

Nvidia saw an opportunity 1st with sync and packaged it gsync, the same as amd saw a selling point by calling thier sync free sync.

With all the free sync monitors on sale today could you see Nvidia saying yeah sure we will allow all our cards to run on Amd free sync monitors?

The same as amd enabled gsync cards for gsync monitors, I am sure both companies would say no thanks.

 

[TNA]

Nvidia saw an opportunity 1st with sync and packaged it gsync, the same as amd saw a selling point by calling thier sync free sync.

With all the free sync monitors on sale today could you see Nvidia saying yeah sure we will allow all our cards to run on Amd free sync monitors?

The same as amd enabled gsync cards for gsync monitors, I am sure both companies would say no thanks.

It seems to me you are not taking into account the post I was replying to.

 

[melmac]

Nvidia saw an opportunity 1st with sync and packaged it gsync, the same as amd saw a selling point by calling thier sync free sync.

With all the free sync monitors on sale today could you see Nvidia saying yeah sure we will allow all our cards to run on Amd free sync monitors?

The same as amd enabled gsync cards for gsync monitors, I am sure both companies would say no thanks.

Well, is that really true. All that would happen is that the monitor company would list the monitor as Gsync(or whatever Nvidia decide to call it) and Freesync compatible.

There is nothing on the monitor side that AMD has control of. Unlike a Gsync monitor, which Nvidia has complete control of. Do you think Monitor manufacturers would still only refer to the monitors as freesync monitors only and risk limiting their market? Not a hope.

Besides the only reason they are called Freesync monitors at the moment is because only AMD cards are using the adaptive sync feature of the monitor, and to make it easier for the public to differentiate between Gsync and freesync. Which wouldn't be a problem if they both featured on the one monitor.

 

[jupiter_man]

Yes, as a fury user, need more power to support 1440p gaming in some AAA titles

 

[Carta]

Ill be getting one, and a new ryzen CPU. My current motherboard and CPU combo is aging and I bought a 1070 to replace my blown 290x but my monitor is freesync and even though the 1070 is a faster card, I can still notice the difference freesync brings.

 

[nashathedog]

Have a 1440p freesync monitor so if Vega gives me a reason to upgrade from my Fury then I'll lap it up, Ryzen first though. nvidia wont be getting my money unless they start changing they way they do things, I still feel burned by the 970 thing

While I do feel that Nvidia are a bit douchie I have no qualms about buying a GTX gpu if it's the better choice, When I bought my Fury it felt like I was taking a big risk but 18 months later I look back and know it was a good decision so having invested in Freesync AMD is now my first choice hence why I'm waiting for Vega, I think the 1070 and 1080 are both strong cards if a bit pricey.
One of the biggest reasons I went with Freesync was the price of the G-sync monitors. The first freesync one I bought was an Acer 2560x1080 144hz VA, the equivalent g-sync monitor was an Acer 2560x1080 200hz VA monitor. The only differences between the two were Acers G-sync version carries the Predator moniker, it has some small bits of red colouring and the additional 56hz which in my opinion holds no value over 144hz. The price difference between the two was over £250. For me that made it a no-brainer,
Todays pricing is:

G-sync £999.00
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...e-zeroframe-curved-led-monitor-mo-091-ac.html

Freesync £ 720
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...n-superwide-curved-led-monitor-mo-092-ac.html

Today the difference is £280 for what is essentially the same monitor offering 200hz instead of 144hz.

So Vega here I come

I believe Nvidia will eventually support Freesync but for now their solution hold too high a premium.

 

[nashathedog]

Yes, as a fury user, need more power to support 1440p gaming in some AAA titles

Same here, I'm hoping big Vega allows me to sit back and be content with what I've got for several years.

 

[Toss3]

Ill be getting one, and a new ryzen CPU. My current motherboard and CPU combo is aging and I bought a 1070 to replace my blown 290x but my monitor is freesync and even though the 1070 is a faster card, I can still notice the difference freesync brings.

Wouldn't it be best to see how they perform first before making the decision to buy both? I mean I doubt that either is going to be a disappointment, but they could very well end up being much slower than anticipated.

 

[JediFragger]

Ill be getting one, and a new ryzen CPU. My current motherboard and CPU combo is aging and I bought a 1070 to replace my blown 290x but my monitor is freesync and even though the 1070 is a faster card, I can still notice the difference freesync brings.

Agreed, it's worth having Freesync over none. Although in my experience Gsync is def better overall (but it might be that my old X34 had a lower sync range over my LG 38UC99).

 

[nashathedog]

Agreed, it's worth having Freesync over none. Although in my experience Gsync is def better overall (but it might be that my old X34 had a lower sync range over my LG 38UC99).

The LG ultrawides have small working ranges imo, I was looking at AMD's LFC list (low framerate control) list and most of the LG's do not have it and most have a working range that starts in the 40's, The reason I never bought one of LG's first ultrawides with Freesync was because of the poor working range and now I'm doubly glad I didn't as none of the LG range support LFC either.

If you use this link and scroll down to bottom and chosse the monitors option it gives you a list of all the Freesync monitors working ranges and LFC support,

http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/freesync

Your model is on page 3 but it doesn't support LFC either. In comparison the XR34 has a working Freesync range of 30hz to 75hz as well as LFC support, That would probably give you a comparable experience to your X34 and G-sync. LG need to up there game a bit and provide better working ranges and LFC support, Only 2 out of the 36 LG Freesync models have it.

 

[Rezident]

Wait, how can you say this? That both companies are guilty of this? There is only one company guilty of trapping us into a locked echo system and that's Nvidia.

This isn't up for up debate. It's fact. There is an open standard there that any company can use. It's a standard decided by VESA. It's called adaptive sync. Nvidia could easily allow their cards to connect to adaptive sync monitors if they wanted to but they choose not to.

Oh, I understand why Nvidia are doing this, to make money, to keep people locked in to their cards.

There is no trapping customers by AMD. Nvidia cards can connect to adaptive sync monitors with no input from AMD. Whereas AMD cards will never be able to connect to Gsync monitor without Nvidia's say so.

So now, who is to blame? Nvidia, plain and simple.

This. No good for gamers comes from this. Boo!

 

[Gregster]

Not that I will be getting into "what is better GSync or Freesync" but you have to remember and credit NVidia for seeing this tech and bringing it out. No idea if things have changed but I would assume not but when GSync was first released, NVidia GPUs didn't have the ability to run Adaptive Sync because of the lack of hardware on the GPU and hence why they have to use a module on the monitor. Things might have changed since but I don't think they still have the ability on the GPU or if they did, they could well support Adaptive Sync as well as GSync and it would be a win win for NVidia.

I had my GSync monitor a year before Freesync came out and in tech terms, that is a long time. I have no issue buying an Ultra wide Freesync monitor (proper tempted to grab one) if Vega delivers at a decent price point but for the most, I am trying to hold off buying anything PC wise for the interim.

 

[nashathedog]

Not that I will be getting into "what is better GSync or Freesync" but you have to remember and credit NVidia for seeing this tech and bringing it out. No idea if things have changed but I would assume not but when GSync was first released, NVidia GPUs didn't have the ability to run Adaptive Sync because of the lack of hardware on the GPU and hence why they have to use a module on the monitor. Things might have changed since but I don't think they still have the ability on the GPU or if they did, they could well support Adaptive Sync as well as GSync and it would be a win win for NVidia.

I had my GSync monitor a year before Freesync came out and in tech terms, that is a long time. I have no issue buying an Ultra wide Freesync monitor (proper tempted to grab one) if Vega delivers at a decent price point but for the most, I am trying to hold off buying anything PC wise for the interim.

That's true but what niggles me is that Nvidia must have known it could be done via the open standard but chose to go with it as a closed feature which holds a pretty big premium. I know they're about making money but there's a ruthlessness to how they do it.

 

[scritchyrat]

As long as the price isn't terrifying, I'll be getting one.

I try to get the best value for money and the extra longevity of AMD cards suit me. Plus, I've had Nvidia for since the 4 series (460 and a 470) so it's about time I got some red back in my diet. Thirdly, I hate the intrusiveness of the Nvidia Experience. I won't be sorry when that gets uninstalled.

 

[Gregster]

That's true but what niggles me is that Nvidia must have known it could be done via the open standard but chose to go with it as a closed feature which holds a pretty big premium. I know they're about making money but there's a ruthlessness to how they do it.

Of course and it does pain me when I look at moni prices. When GSync was first spoken about, the module was supposed to cost no more than $20 (if my ailing memory serves correct) but the massive premium on GSync doesn't make it look that way. Might well be vendors gouging or NVidia (no idea) but I am surprised NVidia haven't turned to Adaptive by now and still keeping the modules for those who might feel GSync is better.

 

[TNA]

Seeing Raja speak would suggest Vega cards will be quite competitive. He seemed very passionate about lowering the price of 4K gaming.

 

[nashathedog]

Of course and it does pain me when I look at moni prices. When GSync was first spoken about, the module was supposed to cost no more than $20 (if my ailing memory serves correct) but the massive premium on GSync doesn't make it look that way. Might well be vendors gouging or NVidia (no idea) but I am surprised NVidia haven't turned to Adaptive by now and still keeping the modules for those who might feel GSync is better.

That's what I was thinking, Nvidia state that G-sync is a premium version that is better than Freesync, If they really believe that there's no reason not to support both and allow there customers to decide whether they want to pay the extra for the better version when they buy a monitor. Also, I remember them saying that Freesync would add no more than 10-20 dollars onto the price of a monitor. I think G-sync was expected to add at most around 100 but as you said the mind struggles a bit as you age so I might be the one remembering it wrong

 

[tommybhoy]

$20 for the module but there's a license involved too and a redesign for the module footprint, it all adds up, it's not just NV getting the cash, the monitor vendor is charging a premium on top of G-Sync cost.

NV are actively choosing not to support ASync, for all we know they might have the capability on board already.

Used both of them and both do the exact same thing in the very range.

They have their advantage in different ways, so the range might be far more important for one, and a reduced range and cheaper access and panel choic is far more important to another.