Who will be getting a Vega card and why?

TNA · 9 Feb 2017 at 20:23

DarrenM343;30488196 said:
Why not the other way round? Isn't g-sync supposed to be the better tech? Why cant AMD cards be made to work on g-syc? I know Freesync has the word "free" attached to it and people prefer it for that but I think if AMD had got to the tech first they'd probably not have tried to make it free and open.
Anyway, we shouldn't care but I think we should pressure both parties to get over it and release now a common standard - even if the monitors are priced a bit higher so both companies can make a few extra £. So if g-sync better then sod it, lets have that as the common standard, or vicevesa.
Or, why cant we have monitors with both g-sync and freesync?

Not sure if serious

If you are though let me know and I will explain.

TheRealDeal · 9 Feb 2017 at 20:26

DarrenM343;30488196 said:
Why not the other way round? Isn't g-sync supposed to be the better tech? Why cant AMD cards be made to work on g-syc? I know Freesync has the word "free" attached to it and people prefer it for that but I think if AMD had got to the tech first they'd probably not have tried to make it free and open.
Anyway, we shouldn't care but I think we should pressure both parties to get over it and release now a common standard - even if the monitors are priced a bit higher so both companies can make a few extra £. So if g-sync better then sod it, lets have that as the common standard, or vicevesa.
Or, why cant we have monitors with both g-sync and freesync?

Adaptive Sync monitors which Freesync from AMD uses is an open standard. Nvidia could use it anytime they want. G-Sync is an Nvidia only tech and AMD would need to pay Nvidia to use it. It would be under Nv's control. There is no way this will ever happen. On the other hand Amd have as much Control over Adaptive Sync as Nvidia currently do. Nvidia just won't use the tech as they want to lock you into there ecosystem and they also benefit from Licensing payment's. As far as i know Freesync and G-Sync are pretty much on par and you would have a hard time in a side by side comparison choosing which was which these days.

To put it the short way one is controlled by Nvidia and the other is not controlled by Nvidia or Amd.

TNA · 9 Feb 2017 at 20:37

TheRealDeal;30488230 said:
Adaptive Sync monitors which Freesync from AMD uses is an open standard. Nvidia could use it anytime they want. G-Sync is an Nvidia only tech and AMD would need to pay Nvidia to use it. It would be under Nv's control. There is no way this will ever happen. On the other hand Amd have as much Control over Adaptive Sync as Nvidia currently do. Nvidia just won't use the tech as they want to lock you into there ecosystem and they also benefit from Licensing payment's. As far as i know Freesync and G-Sync are pretty much on par and you would have a hard time in a side by side comparison choosing which was which these days.

To put it the short way one is controlled by Nvidia and the other is not controlled by Nvidia or Amd.

Thanks for saving me the time. But I worry someone will come along shortly and try and turn things around and make it somehow seem like AMD are to blame

TheRealDeal · 9 Feb 2017 at 20:41

TNA;30488269 said:
Thanks for saving me the time. But I worry someone will come along shortly and try and turn things around and make it somehow seem like AMD are to blame

You know it's coming

Dicehunter · 9 Feb 2017 at 20:54

Nope, got a G-Sync monitor, Can't live without G-Sync

Spyhop;30484879 said:
Yes, to unlock Synergy Boost mode on my Ryzen

If that were actually a thing that would be cool but sadly it aint

bayo000 · 9 Feb 2017 at 20:57

I probably will. Got NVIDIA cards in both of PCs and my main screen is freesync. I'll wait for reviews and then decide if I sell my 1080.

HEADRAT · 9 Feb 2017 at 21:06

old gamer;30484322 said:
Me, I've invested in freesync and just need the gpu to power it

This, that said my FuryX seems to cope pretty well at 3440 x 1440 on my Acer XR341CK

melmac · 9 Feb 2017 at 21:13

DarrenM343;30488015 said:
One thing this threads highlights is that both AMD and Nvidia have people trapped due to the monitor they own. I think both companies are as guilty as each other over this. Nvidia I think got their first so AMD released 'Free'sync but it's a shame both companies cant just decide which is the best tech and both move forward with it, unless they're of course vastly different and offer advantages other than of course trapping customers.
Either way being tied to GPU's because of the Sync tech is rubbish

I'm still rocking with a non-sync monitor and loving it

Wait, how can you say this? That both companies are guilty of this? There is only one company guilty of trapping us into a locked echo system and that's Nvidia.

This isn't up for up debate. It's fact. There is an open standard there that any company can use. It's a standard decided by VESA. It's called adaptive sync. Nvidia could easily allow their cards to connect to adaptive sync monitors if they wanted to but they choose not to.

Oh, I understand why Nvidia are doing this, to make money, to keep people locked in to their cards.

There is no trapping customers by AMD. Nvidia cards can connect to adaptive sync monitors with no input from AMD. Whereas AMD cards will never be able to connect to Gsync monitor without Nvidia's say so.

So now, who is to blame? Nvidia, plain and simple.

MichaelM · 9 Feb 2017 at 21:21

Yes, if it provides great 1440p performance at a reasonable price.
I'd like more performance from anything that does not have Nvidia written on it.

Ian Evey · 9 Feb 2017 at 21:33

Whether it's Right or wrong it seems one company is smart and one isn't, I'm not saying which is which.

TNA · 9 Feb 2017 at 21:46

Ian Evey;30488506 said:
Whether it's Right or wrong it seems one company is smart and one isn't, I'm not saying which is which.

That was not up for debate though was it? It is obvious Nvidia do it to make more money. Does not take a genius to work that out

Maybe I am wrong, but just because a company is making lots of money or more from their competitor(s), does not mean everything they do is right and should be supported regardless. Therefore in this case it is not much of an argument/defence to say "yeah, but Nvidia make more money (aka smart)".

TheRealDeal;30488287 said:
You know it's coming

Griffildur · 9 Feb 2017 at 21:51

I can't help but observe several people in this thread who go out of their way to keep blaming one particular company. The people who use those specific cards replied to OP's question and moved on without saying anything bad at all. I actually feel good that no one took the bait. Perhaps we should all stick to answering the question and nothing more

here's a link to lighten the mood, enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVg2EJvvlF8

Ian Evey · 9 Feb 2017 at 22:01

TNA;30488554 said:
That was not up for debate though was it? It is obvious Nvidia do it to make more money. Does not take a genius to work that out

Maybe I am wrong, but just because a company is making lots of money or more from their competitor(s), does not mean everything they do is right and should be supported regardless. Therefore in this case it is not much of an argument/defence to say "yeah, but Nvidia make more money (aka smart)".

Not about money it's about control, One controls their sync tech and one doesn't.

It still may bite them in the bum though if Vega is any good, I would like a 144hz sync screen and a decent card upgrade so I am hopeful.

DarrenM343 · 9 Feb 2017 at 22:04

TheRealDeal;30488230 said:
Adaptive Sync monitors which Freesync from AMD uses is an open standard. Nvidia could use it anytime they want. G-Sync is an Nvidia only tech and AMD would need to pay Nvidia to use it. It would be under Nv's control. There is no way this will ever happen. On the other hand Amd have as much Control over Adaptive Sync as Nvidia currently do. Nvidia just won't use the tech as they want to lock you into there ecosystem and they also benefit from Licensing payment's. As far as i know Freesync and G-Sync are pretty much on par and you would have a hard time in a side by side comparison choosing which was which these days.

To put it the short way one is controlled by Nvidia and the other is not controlled by Nvidia or Amd.

Thanks.
To answer another post, I was not wholly serious

but your extra information appreciated
.

lordfletch · 9 Feb 2017 at 22:04

Griffildur;30488580 said:
I can't help but observe several people in this thread who go out of their way to keep blaming one particular company. The people who use those specific cards replied to OP's question and moved on without saying anything bad at all. I actually feel good that no one took the bait. Perhaps we should all stick to answering the question and nothing more

here's a link to lighten the mood, enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVg2EJvvlF8

i blame yoko

Davanius · 9 Feb 2017 at 22:17

Going off on Nvidia is not the way this thread should have went.

What happens then when AMD does something wrong?

Quit PC gaming altogether?

TNA · 9 Feb 2017 at 22:26

Ian Evey;30488617 said:
Not about money it's about control, One controls their sync tech and one doesn't.

It still may bite them in the bum though if Vega is any good, I would like a 144hz sync screen and a decent card upgrade so I am hopeful.

Yes, and that is great for them as a business. No one disputed that, therefore I fail to see the relevance in this case.

Davanius;30488684 said:
Going off on Nvidia is not the way this thread should have went.

What happens then when AMD does something wrong?

Quit PC gaming altogether?

Not sure if you are classing what I said as "going of on Nvidia" but facts are facts. So far instead of rebutting my arguments all people seem to be doing is coming up with "alternative facts"/straw man

ZeroG · 9 Feb 2017 at 22:28

Quite happy with my 980ti at the moment. Waiting to see what the 1080ti will bring to the board before deciding if I want to upgrade.

Davanius · 9 Feb 2017 at 22:39

TNA;30488730 said:
Yes, and that is great for them as a business. No one disputed that, therefore I fail to see the relevance in this case.

Not sure if you are classing what I said as "going of on Nvidia" but facts are facts. So far instead of rebutting my arguments all people seem to be doing is coming up with "alternative facts"/straw man

Not chasing you TNA at all. There are quite a few comments that could have been answered by a simple no without risking the thread going up in flames.

That hasn't happened yet thankfully.

TNA · 9 Feb 2017 at 22:54

Davanius;30488773 said:
Not chasing you TNA at all. There are quite a few comments that could have been answered by a simple no without risking the thread going up in flames.

That hasn't happened yet thankfully.

It can get a bit confusing sometimes when people do not quote and say things.

With my posts I am more than happy to be proven wrong personally. That is how we learn. But hard to learn anything when someone replies and does a straw man on me

It sometimes becomes hard to have a conversation when even if what one is saying is a fact, if that fact happens to make a company which the forum member is a fan of look bad, then that said forum member ends up getting upset and feels the need to get defensive. In my head facts are facts however, I do not care if it makes AMD or Nvidia look bad, I will side with the facts