Whos at fault here?

[ubersonic]

IMO they are both crap drivers and both at fault here, I would argue that the biker is more responsible for causing the collision but both are guilty of poor driving.

The car was leaving the roundabout but changed their mind and turned sharply to carry on around without looking - bad.

The biker was also leaving the roundabout from the same lane but attempted to accelerate around the car in front so he could squeeze between them and the central reservation to get ahead - bad.

The car made a mistake by not looking, however the biker should not have been there so both are at fault and both were driving without due care or attention, but more so the biker IMO as his was a deliberate act.

 

[AndyCr15]

Personally I think what you're seeing is not correct. There are 3 lanes in total. 1 and 2 for straight on, 3 for turning right.

Car in lane 1, bike in lane 2. Car then realises he wants to go right and cuts across lane 2, hitting the bike. (Look how far he turns right before the bike hits, I don't believe the car could have been in lane 2.)

 

[grudas]

IMO they are both crap drivers and both at fault here, I would argue that the biker is more responsible for causing the collision but both are guilty of poor driving.

The car was leaving the roundabout but changed their mind and turned sharply to carry on around without looking - bad.

The biker was also leaving the roundabout from the same lane but attempted to accelerate around the car in front so he could squeeze between them and the central reservation to get ahead - bad.

The car made a mistake by not looking, however the biker should not have been there so both are at fault and both were driving without due care or attention, but more so the biker IMO as his was a deliberate act.

you have got to be joking? car was in a wrong lane, biker was leaving the roundabout in the right lane. Car cut across bikers path and he had no time to stop, how is he at fault is above me.

cmon now.

 

[LiE]

IMO they are both crap drivers and both at fault here, I would argue that the biker is more responsible for causing the collision but both are guilty of poor driving.

The car was leaving the roundabout but changed their mind and turned sharply to carry on around without looking - bad.

The biker was also leaving the roundabout from the same lane but attempted to accelerate around the car in front so he could squeeze between them and the central reservation to get ahead - bad.

The car made a mistake by not looking, however the biker should not have been there so both are at fault and both were driving without due care or attention, but more so the biker IMO as his was a deliberate act.

You need to rewatch the video. Car is lane 1 to go straight over, bike in lane 2 to go straight over, everyone else in lane 3 which is for right. Car goes from lane 1, across lane 2 to go right and cuts in front of the bike in lane 2.

 

[ChrisD.]

I don't see how the biker could be at fault, 100% the car, changing direction last minute without looking and then bolting as they know they're in the wrong. Cretin.

 

[ubersonic]

you have got to be joking? car was in a wrong lane, biker was leaving the roundabout in the right lane.

I think you need to re-watch the video again, works well fullscreen 1080p.

From the moment the car enters the screen it's heading straight for the rightmost lane of the exit and it's path is constant until it turns to carry on around. The bike is in the same roundabout lane and also heading for the rightmost lane of the same exit, hes catching up to the car because hes moving faster to overtake in the exit funnel. The car appears to be left of the bike because the bike is over to the right of the lane ready to pass the car in the same lane.

If the car had never changed course/braked then both would have entered the rightmost lane of the exit and the bike would have pulled alongside the car and passed as he planned. You can tell from the speed the bike was going at that he had no intention of slowing and getting stuck behind the car, he was trying to leapfrog past between the car and the central reservation.

 

[ChrisD.]

I think you need to re-watch the video again, works well fullscreen 1080p.

The car is heading straight for the rightmost lane of the exit and it's path is constant until it turns. The bike is also heading for the rightmost land of the same exit, hes catching the car because hes moving faster to overtake in the exit funnel.

No the car is in the inside lane, bike looks to be in the middle lane (right hand on the exit). Look at the cars before the Fiesta turns up.

 

[On Holiday]

Let's put it this way.
The car is 100% in the wrong because the only lane to go right is LANE 3 which is occupied by the Volvo and Passat.

Let me refer you to the the picture of the road as seen from where the bike and car approached from.

LANE 1 + 2 Straight. LANE 3 = Right

Just for further clarification, picture of where the car wanted to go but in reverse, lets say in this instance, OP was sat where the yellow car was.

 

[AndyCr15]

If the car had never changed course/braked then both would have entered the rightmost lane of the exit

Again, I think you're wrong, car is in 1, bike is in 2. What you're saying is the car was changing lanes even before he made a move to turn right, so he's still in the wrong for moving into lane 2, no indications and it's occupied by a bike!

 

[Demon]

I think you need to re-watch the video again, works well fullscreen 1080p.

The car is heading straight for the rightmost lane of the exit and it's path is constant until it turns. The bike is also heading for the rightmost land of the same exit, hes catching the car because hes moving faster to overtake in the exit funnel.

Not a chance, you need to go to specs savers.. he veers very deliberately right and puts the car on a course to go further around the round-about (despite indicating left).. On hitting the bike, he then veers left which happens to put him in the right hand lane, you can clearly see his wheels change direction to back up my assertion..

I've just shown this to 5 people and all but 1 agree wholeheartedly, however 1 is very anti-biker and pretty much has argued every point, we are now at the stage its the bikers fault for getting out of bed that morning..

 

[ChrisD.]

Car is in lane 1, bike in lane 2 if you watch the traffic before the accident.

 

[ubersonic]

Not a chance, you need to go to specs savers.. he veers very deliberately right and puts the car on a course to go further around the round-about (despite indicating left).

You misread, I am not denying that, I am saying that prior to turning deliberately right and putting the car on a course to go further around the round-about, he was heading directly for the right lane of the exit, and that the biker overtaking him was also heading for that lane of that exit.

Car is in lane 1, bike in lane 2 if you watch the traffic before the accident.

The car is in lane 2 the entire time he is onscreen prior to turning right across the bikes path and is heading straight for the rightmost lane of the exit. This can be demonstrated by looking at the roundabout between the parked cars to the right of the OP, he passes further from the edge than the vehicle in lane 1 that was ahead of him, because he's in lane 2.

 

[ttaskmaster]

The biker was also leaving the roundabout from the same lane but attempted to accelerate around the car in front so he could squeeze between them and the central reservation to get ahead - bad.

You mean squeeze through that HUGE lane gap between the car and the central res, otherwise known as the right hand lane?

The car made a mistake by not looking, however the biker should not have been there

Are bikes banned from outer lanes, or something?

The car is heading straight for the rightmost lane of the exit and it's path is constant until it turns.

At 0:04 you can see the car passing in front of the white lane markings directly ahead of the viewer. The car is clearly in Lane 1 and drifting across toward the rightmost lane, which it does just after this marking... and without indicating, from the looks of it. It then turns further right, as if to carry on round in the leftmost lane to go forward but stuffs it up (he was about to hit the central reservation) and hits the brakes, as the bike slams into him before he runs off to the left again in panic.

The bike is slightly left of central in the rightmost lane as it passes that white marking, suggesting he was doing fine and was clear to proceed just before this happened.

 

[ubersonic]

You mean squeeze through that HUGE lane gap between the car and the central res, otherwise known as the right hand lane?

No I think you misread, I meant squeeze between a vehicle in the right hand lane and the central reservation.

If the car had never slowed/turned then he would have entered the right hand lane of the exit then the bike would have followed and forced his way through as intended.

 

[AndyCr15]

So changing lanes without indicating and knocking the passing biker over... much like he did? If he's in lane 1 on the roundabout, why would he exit into lane 2? That's just as bad really.

 

[AndyCr15]

To be clear, the turning car definitely is in lane 1 initially, compare the pics to another car that passed, with a car in lane 2 at the time.

I can't see how you deduce he's leaving in lane 2? There's a clear turn, to go into the left lane of the straight ahead from OP, I don't see any 'drift' (which, as said, is pretty much just as bad).

 

[ttaskmaster]

No I think you misread, I meant squeeze between a vehicle in the right hand lane and the central reservation.

No, I understood exactly what you meant. It's just inaccurate.
The car was in Lane 1. The bike was in Lane 2 and clear to proceed.
The car then moved without indicating (and presumably without looking, or at least not correctly judging the bike's presence) into Lane 2, thus robbing the biker of his own space. It's only when the car starts to drift into Lane 2 that the biker hits his own brakes.

The car then proceeded to turn very late as if going to cross Lane 2 and take the leftmost lane round, instead ending up heading toward the central reservation and brake-swerving back to line in Lane 2.

If the car had never slowed/turned then he would have entered the right hand lane of the exit then the bike would have followed and forced his way through as intended.

No, without braking he'd have hit the yellow bollard/marker- thing and mounted the reservation slightly left of where the biker ended up. This is evident from where the bike ends up after being bashed to the right.

 

[ttaskmaster]

So changing lanes without indicating and knocking the passing biker over... much like he did? If he's in lane 1 on the roundabout, why would he exit into lane 2? That's just as bad really.

Looks like he wanted to cross Lane 2 and go forward (from camera perspective) instead of exiting to the left, which is what the big swerve is about, but did so far too late and caused this incident.

 

[MooMoo444]

The fact the car sped away without exchanging details, or at least seeing if the guy was OK says it all. I'm sure the rider would have liked to chase it down for a plate or whatever but when a car hits you like that, you're probably bit shaken up/winded.

 

[Housey]

It was the cyclists fault.

But

It was the cars fault, question over the bikes speed perhaps in a busy location, but that's peripheral and the car pulled across the bike, didn't check mirror and seemed to be indicating to the left.