Whose fault is it in this situation?

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A scenario that has happened to me a few times....

Queue of traffic, you are about to turn left as soon as the cars move forwards but a cyclist come along the inside - you go to turn and he has to stop dead / you hit him / etc.

This has also hapenned to me at a small roundabout. I stopped to let a car go as they had right of way, as I went to go I luckily notice a cyclist out of the corner of my eye who had hardly bothered to stop - I nearly turned into her.

What happends in this situation?
 
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well if he's behind you i'd say he's in the wrong, it'd be the same for if a car behind you decided to go past you before you turned left by going on the path or something stupid.
 
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So i'm not going mad, it is down to the cyclist to stop behind a car that is turning.

Why do so many of them so it!!

Next question, rpobably a bit of a silly one, if you turn and a cyclist goes into you....how can you make them pay for the damage? They don't have insurance....
 
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Vanilla said:
So i'm not going mad, it is down to the cyclist to stop behind a car that is turning.

Why do so many of them so it!!

Next question, rpobably a bit of a silly one, if you turn and a cyclist goes into you....how can you make them pay for the damage? They don't have insurance....

Only way is to sue them in the small claims court.
 
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Their fault. From the Highway Code:

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57: On the left. When approaching a junction on the left, watch out for vehicles turning in front of you, out of or into the side road. Do not ride on the inside of vehicles signalling or slowing down to turn left.

Basically the same rules apply to cyclists as do to motorcyclists when filtering through traffic, i.e. you do so entirely at your own risk.
 
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If he/she is on the left then are not filtering - you can only filter in the right or by weaving through the traffic (unless they were also jumping a red light). I would go againt the grain here and say that a court would probably take the view that you must only turn if it is safe to do so - and it clearly wasn't if you hit a cyclist to your left. They were proceeding in the direction of the road. What you effectively did was to overtake, then turn in front of them (I know that's not what happened, but it's another way of looking at it). Yes, it's very annoying, but it's the price you pay for sharing the road with suicidal cyclists. He/she might want to hang back out of a sense of self preservation, but legally they do not have to.

Now, if they came down the right and you hit them while turning right it would be more complicated.


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he means turning I think, but yeah you dont have to check on turning. Why do cyclists go on the road when the pavement is clear.....are they allowed on dual carriageways? You know having to slam on at 60 and move into the right lane with an approaching fast car because a cyclist takes up 2/3 of the left lane isnt right....

The amount of times they make me slam on, it would have been ideal if he lay down in the road and you go over him a few times. Then trash his bike and make him eat the rubber...with the spokes
 
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Rotty said:
cyclists should not be on the pavement

Ah right ok cool, so if the pavement is clear on a dual carriageway they shouldnt be there....they should be on the road endangering their lives and drivers! Ah I see now, thanks for the info mate :)
 
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zain said:
Ah right ok cool, so if the pavement is clear on a dual carriageway they shouldnt be there....they should be on the road endangering their lives and drivers!

that's the rules , I don't make them


what I posted was not my opinion but the law/highway code





from highway code

54: You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement
 
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zain said:
Ah right ok cool, so if the pavement is clear on a dual carriageway they shouldnt be there....they should be on the road endangering their lives and drivers! Ah I see now, thanks for the info mate :)
yes your right they SHOULD NOT BE THERE they should be on the road, when i am out on my bike some road users need to be shot like last week i was cycling on a b road, lady in range rover decided to overtake me fine no problem she pulls out goes past then slams on the brakes indicates right, this makes me have to stop very quickly a quick slap on the window then she relised i was there
 
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challengedavid said:
yes your right they SHOULD NOT BE THERE they should be on the road, when i am out on my bike some road users need to be shot like last week i was cycling on a b road, lady in range rover decided to overtake me fine no problem she pulls out goes past then slams on the brakes indicates right, this makes me have to stop very quickly a quick slap on the window then she relised i was there

if you slapped my window I would have slapped you quite hard :)

Every cyclist I come across thinks they own the road, its all good if theres space but when there isnt a backlog of cars can build up quite quickly and when youre in a 60 zone its just pathetic the amount of danger they pose. The least that they could do is stay well on the left and not hog the lane...
 
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zain said:
if you slapped my window I would have slapped you quite hard :)

Every cyclist I come across thinks they own the road, its all good if theres space but when there isnt a backlog of cars can build up quite quickly and when youre in a 60 zone its just pathetic the amount of danger they pose. The least that they could do is stay well on the left and not hog the lane...
you sound like you need to get out on the road as a cyclist and see what people like yourself do smiles or no smiles she needed to know i was there and that was the only way she knew as she nearly knocked me of for being so impatent and i would slap you back ;)
 
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