Why are some things more illegal than others!
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fatiain said:But you're not allowed to talk about them here. Are you?
i am and have done on many occasions... whether a mod takes offence to it is their problem and if they want to be so short sighted and overly pre-emptive as to close my topics due to that then there's not much i can do, but i know what i watch is perfectly legal and paid for for that matter. regardless of the fact that i get to see everything 6 months to a year before its official UK air date
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That's exactly my point.locutus12 said:
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www.slingmedia.com my friend in new jersey has one of these units that he bought off his cable tv provider, i pay half his cable bill (£7 a month) and i get to watch USTV. it only works for 1 person at a time mind but thankfully we both like different shows, plus when he is at home he can watch a different channel to me using his standard cable box.
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Placeshifting is deemed a grey area under the law, and a lot of broadcasters (especially in the states, where content often varies from state to state with local programming) are trying to cut down on it.locutus12 said:
Officially, the Slingbox EULA states that the Slingbox is only for personal use – you are not permitted, for example, to trade passwords and watch another person's stream. Any talk of doing such things is prohibited on the Slingmedia community forums.
Whatever the case, I wouldn't describe it as "quite legal"
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Al Vallario said:
show me the relevant law stating it is illegal and i will no longer watch it.
quite simply it has no legislation written for this type of broadcasting yet. IPTV is a brand new concept. whether Slingbox has a problem with it is neither here nor there, its what is permissible under general consumer law, once you have bought that unit, its yours to do with as you please. if it were rented off slingbox that would be a different matter.
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also note that sling community forums ARE NOT a part of sling media.
this taken off slingmedia.com:
so officially, slingmedia has no stand point and what you are reading is a set of 3rd party forum rules.
indeed i just found it myself...
No Slingbox Sharing or Hosting - Though you are welcome to discuss the concept and legal ramifications, requests for a someone to host a Slingbox, offers to host a Slingbox, or sharing Slingboxes are not permitted, including those for monetary gain and testing purposes. Linking to or promoting external sites that condone Slingbox hosting or Slingbox Sharing are not permitted. The exchange of Finder IDs or passwords in discussion areas is strictly forbidden.
EULA:
you may not rent or otherwise distribute the Software to any third party;
grey area given ive paid for part of the box which can be verified via paypal receipt.
or (iii) make the functionality of the Software available to any other user through any means, including, without, limitation, by uploading the Software to a network or file-sharing service or through any hosting, application services provider, service bureau or any other type of services. You may only use the Software in connection with your Slingbox,
it is only used in connection with his/my box, and we haven't distributed the software via file sharing service. there is nothing stipulating that the owner watching the sling box has to be a resident of the country in which it is located.
all in all a nice big pile of legal grey goo. just the way i like it.
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My opinion on the tv shows thing is that they ask for it by giving it to the US audience first, More recently big movies, StarWars and such, have been released globally at the same time which is sure to help.
I was in Florida in July and the movie " The devil wears prada" was out and advertised all over the place, It didnt apper here till like october, by which time it was probably out on dvd in the US and widely available for download as a result
Also if more companies embraced the tech instead of fighting it there would be even less reason to obtain such progs illegally.
I would happily pay £5-10 a month to download shows like 24, lost in hi def, Would be better value than Tv licence or a crappy sly contract,
Im sure i herad on radio that lost can be seen on myspace the day after airing after they done a deal with sly, its the way forward but not good enough yet !
I was in Florida in July and the movie " The devil wears prada" was out and advertised all over the place, It didnt apper here till like october, by which time it was probably out on dvd in the US and widely available for download as a result
Also if more companies embraced the tech instead of fighting it there would be even less reason to obtain such progs illegally.
I would happily pay £5-10 a month to download shows like 24, lost in hi def, Would be better value than Tv licence or a crappy sly contract,
Im sure i herad on radio that lost can be seen on myspace the day after airing after they done a deal with sly, its the way forward but not good enough yet !
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See the EULA which you agreed to when you installed the client software.locutus12 said:
May I direct you to this quote, found under clause #2, 'Restrictions':
Then there's also the myriad of potential copyright infringements brought about through rebroadcasting copyrighted content and the fact that broadcasters are usually restricted to where they are allowed to broadcast certain content (television series' being released on different channels in different countries, licensed content etc.). Placeshifting hasn't been tested in a court of law yet, but I doubt your activities would be covered under any fair use clauses which may deem the most basic of placeshifting functionality legal.Slingbox EULA said:
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Because getting sued by record or software companies for promoting piracy is a more prevalent and severe threat than the government/police/whoever taking any action over the discussion of speeding.HEADRAT said:
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You completely missed the part of the EULA I quoted which states that accessing another person's Slingbox or sharing details is not permitted. The points you quoted are about the sharing of the software, which has nothing to do with the matter in question.locutus12 said:see post 71
im off to watch smallville on G4.
Whilst Sling Community isn't directly linked to Slingmedia, I assume that the EULA they quoted on their site is lifted direct from the software installation. You won't have been able to install the software without agreeing to it.
Edit: The fact that you paid for part of the hardware does not affect the legality of your actions. One would assume that the owner is defined as the person who has the physical Slingbox in their primary residence and has it hooked up to their Internet connection. Anyone else is deemed a third party under the EULA, and therefore both of you are in the wrong: your friend is not allowed to share the details required to access the box with you, and you seperately agreed to the EULA when installing the client software which states that you are not allowed to attempt to access someone else's box.
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gizmoy2k said:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17657320
...although tbh something has happened in that thread that echoes what we're talking about here. Someone mentioned that they were waiting for episode 7 - as am I - as mentioned earlier. However my post has been deleted, despite the fact that I've done nothing illegal or wrong
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downloading movies and games and music doesnt hurt anybody!!!!
speeding infact saves lives! e.g person getting hit by a car doing 30mph would not have been hit if the same car would have had the sense to do 70mph. hell that person wouldnt even have started to cross the road then!
speeding infact saves lives! e.g person getting hit by a car doing 30mph would not have been hit if the same car would have had the sense to do 70mph. hell that person wouldnt even have started to cross the road then!
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well please inform sling media, im sure they will be only too happy to go round to his house, take back his sling box, and give him his money back
. breaking an EULA = civil law, not federal, there's several rather large differences thankfully.
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hehe the thing i love about people who get high and mighty about NOT downloading games mp3 or movies is that they get to see/listen/play the media months later!!!! and they have to pay!!! they prolly dont have access to illegal sources tho on the internet.
mr pirate however can get it all for free and early. "how can u live with yourself omfg" says mr clean. mr pirate just shrugs, "never killed anyone or robbed a real bank so its all good baby!"
mr pirate however can get it all for free and early. "how can u live with yourself omfg" says mr clean. mr pirate just shrugs, "never killed anyone or robbed a real bank so its all good baby!"
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don't forget mr pirate has also bought many many official games and DVD`s as a direct result of illegal downloading because he actually got to try them and liked them (without the hassle of having to go buy the game/dvd , and then take it back to the store because he didnt like it), many of which he never would have even thought about buying.
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