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Why can’t Nvidia supply Kepler/GK104/GTX680? TSMC is blameless, Kepler is a self-infl
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A good read but I tend to disagree. I have looked at several e-tailers and have seen stock in most of them across the world (mainly looked at here/europe and USA TBH.
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Itself, no, if Nvidia designed something with too tight a transistor density while ignoring design rules and made something that has worse yields, its still Nvidia's fault. I actually can't remember what the transistor density is like on the 7870 vs 680gtx but the 7970 is a VERY different design to the 680gtx, different features all effect transistor density, more/less cache, gpgpu, memory controller, rops, shaders, everything has a different design/layout and different density.
Density, layout, all things that go hand in hand with making a chip for a specific process, you HAVE to make a chip for a process and if you do it wrong and get **** yields, that would be Nvidia's fault.
The fairly obvious fact is, as stated in the article, Nvidia is once again blaming TSMC, while no one else is having problems.
As for saying he's wrong because you can go on a website and find a 680gtx, doesn't mean much. Look at the 680gtx list on here, the vast majority or on pre-order, 22 listed(I'm excluding watercooled ones) 6 are in stock, 2 have over 10 pieces in stock. Most of them are only in stock as they are vastly higher priced than comparable models, so people are waiting for a £430 card vs buying the same thing for £470. The watercooling models I excluded for the same reason, extremely poor value and extremely limited choice of watercooling, the vast majority want to buy a normal card and add watercooling they want to it.
7970, all but one card in stock, the vast majority with over 10 in stock, same goes worldwide on just about every site and its sold massively massively more.
But here is the main thing, Nvidia are going on about lack of wafers, the number of wafers AMD has added for something like the 7770 will be probably 50 times the number of wafers AMD did for the 7970, and those are in plenty of stock, and the 7870 would have more wafers than the 7970, and those are in plenty of stock everywhere and all selling very very well.
The 680gtx needs (with a proper yield) a very very small number of wafers. We're talking about a very low volume part, 100k cards should be ridiculously easy to make, a 7770 is something that will sell in the millions, the 7970 something well under 500k. Capacity will be a problem if you are making an entire range, top to bottom, Nvidia aren't they are talking about the lowest volume, small number of wafers, and can't get enough out.
Whilst you make valid points DM and I am not disagreeing with you but surely it is NVIDIA's best interest to get out as many 680's as possible from day 1?
It seems daft to me that they are selling well and yet shortages are stopping NVIDIA's pockets from bulging?
It seems daft to me that they are selling well and yet shortages are stopping NVIDIA's pockets from bulging?
I can tell you that the US has hardly no stock - it sells out as soon as its avilable. People buy em up.
Fair point, I just looked earlier and found stock from several e-tailers. Can't be bothered rechecking as I don't realy care TBH.
300million people over there though..
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supply and demand, there is currently more demand than supply meaning that those that are in stock tend to be at a higher price than those not in stock but accepting pre-orders, for the retailers they get the best of both worlds by selling some cards at inflated prices but also capturing sales (and money in their bank accounts earning interest) from buyers willing to preorder and wait
high demand doesn't necessarily indicate excessive lack of supply, as mentoined above, OCUK have had hundreds of these cards go through their books which if the numbers mentioned above were true means that OCUK have sold a very high percentage of the worldwide supply of the cards, which I find hard to believe
even in the US its not difficult to find some etailers with stock, but yes it is at a higher price, but even then they are still selling at those prices
high demand doesn't necessarily indicate excessive lack of supply, as mentoined above, OCUK have had hundreds of these cards go through their books which if the numbers mentioned above were true means that OCUK have sold a very high percentage of the worldwide supply of the cards, which I find hard to believe
even in the US its not difficult to find some etailers with stock, but yes it is at a higher price, but even then they are still selling at those prices
....but OcUK have some
.....but OcUK have some
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/05/01/why-cant-nvidia-supply-keplergk104gtx680/
That's how you do it ok.
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The same article also said there were only 1000 units at lunch for the GTX 680, which seems like total bull.
Anyway Charlie has been know for having a hate hard on for nVidia for a few years now
Anyway Charlie has been know for having a hate hard on for nVidia for a few years now
Americans are known for thinking theirs is the only market that matters.