why did he do it?
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When I was off sick for a over a week, my boss convinced me to come in to talk things through instead of resigning as 'it isn't as bad as you're making out.'
I went in and got fired.
Fired for what exactly?
ive had a few different jobs this year purely because the management were a joke....
which I guess has obvisiously left a mark in some shape n form so when you do genuinely get a GOOD BOSS "yes there are loads out there" you begin to question their motives etc etc..
Yes I have had bosses earlier on in the year who practically would drive you out of work in some way or other given the chance if you "geniunely had a cold or had a genuine
reason not to attend work" because they heavily relied upon you...not immediately but after a while they would incuiate things and make your life terrible fortuantely I never learnt this first hand but saw how others were treated incase of a death in their family or continued sickness etc etc..
I guess this is where my insecurity and paranoia stems from..
I wish I never had these experiences and came across fun, friendly and compassionate bosses which would enable me to keep my kahunas intact and would not make me doubt their kind gestures which in turn would stop me from becoming a SISSY but hey I guess I must be one of a kind to be influenced in such a way by such experiences..
How could I be so WORTHY and paranoid especially after having experienced such dictators who couldnt control strawberries on their cornflakes, im 27 I should be superman,
SHOULD I EVEN GET THE FLU or HAVE TO TAKE TIME OFF....
geez
which I guess has obvisiously left a mark in some shape n form so when you do genuinely get a GOOD BOSS "yes there are loads out there" you begin to question their motives etc etc..
Yes I have had bosses earlier on in the year who practically would drive you out of work in some way or other given the chance if you "geniunely had a cold or had a genuine
reason not to attend work" because they heavily relied upon you...not immediately but after a while they would incuiate things and make your life terrible fortuantely I never learnt this first hand but saw how others were treated incase of a death in their family or continued sickness etc etc..
I guess this is where my insecurity and paranoia stems from..
I wish I never had these experiences and came across fun, friendly and compassionate bosses which would enable me to keep my kahunas intact and would not make me doubt their kind gestures which in turn would stop me from becoming a SISSY but hey I guess I must be one of a kind to be influenced in such a way by such experiences..
How could I be so WORTHY and paranoid especially after having experienced such dictators who couldnt control strawberries on their cornflakes, im 27 I should be superman,
SHOULD I EVEN GET THE FLU or HAVE TO TAKE TIME OFF....
geez
'Misconduct'
. Little did I know that if my body decides to have a reaction to tablets and I get hospitalised at 2am, the first thing I should do is phone work before 8:30am to let them know I won't be in that day.Nevermind the fact that I was semi conscious at the time and didn't have a clue what was wrong with me.
in the words of the maestro ahem ( */&* ) - K.JACKO
"Sissy!
you are not a child who is institutionalised into thinking that you are worthless! Yet you cannot rationalise your boss's way of thinking?!
Your attitude indeed proves that you ARE lucky to have a boss like this, because having an employee who has no self-worth is not a quality i'd look for in one of my staff!"
Yes you read it correctly
this person actually employs people...
Ermmm...what?
What k.jacko said doesnt really have any relevance to danthemans' past situation, he got fired cos he had a bad boss who didnt take what goes on in life into consideration and only whats written down infront of him in the "rulebook"
Or thats the way i see it?
Anyhoo, unless you dont want the job i dont see why you're talking about this. You're ill, your boss understands, end of.
What k.jacko said doesnt really have any relevance to danthemans' past situation, he got fired cos he had a bad boss who didnt take what goes on in life into consideration and only whats written down infront of him in the "rulebook"
Or thats the way i see it?
Anyhoo, unless you dont want the job i dont see why you're talking about this. You're ill, your boss understands, end of.
'Misconduct'
Nevermind the fact that I was semi conscious at the time and didn't have a clue what was wrong with me.
Unless you had a poor track history of absense, firing you for this would be a case of unfair dismissal. you were unable to contact them for 8.30am, you'd have plenty of evidence for this, i'd sue their ass
Man, I wish my company were as understanding! I have just had my sick pay withdrawn for only 4 instances of sickness in the last 12 months, and i'm fairly sure that one of them is a misunderstanding. It's not like i'm off constantly, i've been off with tonsillitis last year, when i scratched my eye earlier this year and couldnt see to drive to work, 1 day where I had what i suspect was food poisining and 1 day that i'm fairly sure I didn't even have!
Tom.
Tom.
The joys of still being within the 6 month probation period.
ah, of course
Or maybe he just fancies you
Agreed, watch you back it could be late nights and man love time for you dear boy.
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xirokx;
mate, i've re-read my post thinking i may have been harsh and offensive. If i offended you, i apologise, but i don't think my words were too harsh.
Actually, i don't employ people, but if i did, i wouldn't emply someone who didn't value his own labours. You think that because you're ill you don't deserve a job. How nuts is that? If you are confident in knowing that you WORK HARD and DON'T SKIVE, then you should have nothing to worry about.
The kahunas i mentioned were your bosses, not yours. He has the kahunas to give you the opportunity to continue working even when he could be losing money (not due to paying you sick leave, but due to staff shortage). He seems to have faith in your abilities....but you don't?! That's the quality i mentioned i wouldn't like in someone i was to employ or even work alongside. No boss wants a deadbeat or someone with low self-esteem or no get-up-and-go.
CLEARLY your boss DOES NOT think you are a deadbeat. He must value your work ethic, so start believing in yourself.
Like i said mate, at 27, you wouldn't and shouldn't have mum and dad or anyone else to defend/protect/make decisions for you.
Don't be suspicious of someone who values you if you DO work hard. Be suspicious of those that value you if you DON'T!
Like i said earlier, good luck, hope it works out!
mate, i've re-read my post thinking i may have been harsh and offensive. If i offended you, i apologise, but i don't think my words were too harsh.
Actually, i don't employ people, but if i did, i wouldn't emply someone who didn't value his own labours. You think that because you're ill you don't deserve a job. How nuts is that? If you are confident in knowing that you WORK HARD and DON'T SKIVE, then you should have nothing to worry about.
The kahunas i mentioned were your bosses, not yours. He has the kahunas to give you the opportunity to continue working even when he could be losing money (not due to paying you sick leave, but due to staff shortage). He seems to have faith in your abilities....but you don't?! That's the quality i mentioned i wouldn't like in someone i was to employ or even work alongside. No boss wants a deadbeat or someone with low self-esteem or no get-up-and-go.
CLEARLY your boss DOES NOT think you are a deadbeat. He must value your work ethic, so start believing in yourself.
Like i said mate, at 27, you wouldn't and shouldn't have mum and dad or anyone else to defend/protect/make decisions for you.
Don't be suspicious of someone who values you if you DO work hard. Be suspicious of those that value you if you DON'T!
Like i said earlier, good luck, hope it works out!
Like the others have said, you must be working at a decent standard and the MD believes you about you being ill.
Also, if you leave, then the company will have to find someone else to replace you, which will take time and money, and then the new person would take a few weeks to settle down and get familiar with everything. So as they are happy with your quality of work, it's not in their best interests to let you go.
Also, if you leave, then the company will have to find someone else to replace you, which will take time and money, and then the new person would take a few weeks to settle down and get familiar with everything. So as they are happy with your quality of work, it's not in their best interests to let you go.
k jacko, points noted BUT I feel again you lack basic understanding of how a person feels when they have been or are ill..
There are so many other things that need to be taken into consideration prior to summarising in the aggressive manner you choose to proceed in... Infact not only is it rude but it really portrays at how much of a naive individual you are and that everything in your eyes is either not black or white....for example if you had of responded to someone in the pub in that manner you wouldnt be standing for long...
Now to iron out the finer points...
Although my M.D. was sympatethic he never has given me feed back during the 6 weeks I have worked for him, prior to me starting my new role I delayed the start date by a few weeks because I was ill then aswell. Amongst so many other things your "black n white" mind doesnt have the ability to comprehend as a human being especially when one is is ILL , one begins to lose faith and confidence and starts to read too much into things because of lack of feedback from managers and directors so its not a clear cut case..therefore as I had the time and couldnt see things clearly I chose to use the forum as so many people do..
In the future I would appreciate it if you keep your schoolboy advise to yourself and dont even bother to take the time to respond to my threads as I feel you have nothing of any importance to say to me and even if you did I rather not hear it...
P.S. As for believing in ones self - there is a fine line between arrogance and self confidence..
P.P.S thanks to all the people who have responded and cured me from my paranoia and lack of self confidence during this horrid time...just got back from DR'S Ive got tonsillitus grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
There are so many other things that need to be taken into consideration prior to summarising in the aggressive manner you choose to proceed in... Infact not only is it rude but it really portrays at how much of a naive individual you are and that everything in your eyes is either not black or white....for example if you had of responded to someone in the pub in that manner you wouldnt be standing for long...
Now to iron out the finer points...
Although my M.D. was sympatethic he never has given me feed back during the 6 weeks I have worked for him, prior to me starting my new role I delayed the start date by a few weeks because I was ill then aswell. Amongst so many other things your "black n white" mind doesnt have the ability to comprehend as a human being especially when one is is ILL , one begins to lose faith and confidence and starts to read too much into things because of lack of feedback from managers and directors so its not a clear cut case..therefore as I had the time and couldnt see things clearly I chose to use the forum as so many people do..
In the future I would appreciate it if you keep your schoolboy advise to yourself and dont even bother to take the time to respond to my threads as I feel you have nothing of any importance to say to me and even if you did I rather not hear it...
P.S. As for believing in ones self - there is a fine line between arrogance and self confidence..
P.P.S thanks to all the people who have responded and cured me from my paranoia and lack of self confidence during this horrid time...just got back from DR'S Ive got tonsillitus grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
i) You stay off work due to having a highly infectious airborne disease. The company isn't paying you, so they are saving money on payroll. They are one person down.
ii) You come in sick. You infect other people. The company is several people down.
iii) They sack you. Legally dubious, could be bad publicity.
iv) You resign. They have to find someone else to do the job. Fuss and bother. You've been in to work for a while, so they can assess how good you are at the job.
The first option is the best one for the business, particularly since you don't seem to have any major health issues that would result in repeated time off in the future. It's better to have a capable employee who happens to temporarily have some time off sick in bits over a few months than to look for someone else for the job.
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I am a tad confused ?
I don't get why your so paranoid about loosing your job. Is there a reason why you need to be? Since in this case
1) People get ill - especially at this time of year
2) The company aren’t paying you sick
3) A good employer will value his staff
4) The MD seem like a good one
Is there something your aren’t telling us here or have you just genuinely been unlucky in your previous jobs? Are you good at your current job, were you interviewed by someone senior for it?
The way you refer to the MD I assume this is a small company you are working for.
If you are disappointed you haven't been getting feedback then ask them for some or ask to have a sit down informal return to work chat when you’re better so you tell them that:
1) Apologise that you have been ill, it happens; you’re not taking the mick, and say it isn't usual for you.
2) Tell them, you are enjoying the job, tell them you are happy with your work and ask if they are they happy with your work & output in so many words.
3) Tell them you are used to getting more feedback on a daily/weekly basis whether it be informal or formal and ask if they feel they need to do this.
4) Chat informally with your line managers etc when you can e.g. lunch/social etc, they will soon tell you if you’re doing something wrong off the record.
Basically control the chat to get the answers and feedback you want.
Ah, another great employer. The company I work for isn't as bad, but they put someone on a final written warning for not phoning in an hour before starting work. That person had broken their arm and was in A&E, but hey, they had a spare arm to work a phone!'Misconduct'
Nevermind the fact that I was semi conscious at the time and didn't have a clue what was wrong with me.
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I always laugh when I hear stories like this. More so when people don't lodge a complaint in writing.
If you're company has the disposition to issue a formal warning for this type of behaviour - i.e. genuine illness / impossible situation then log a formal complaint.
Better than rolling over and taking it....essentially the member of staff is being bullied in these situations. Always stand up for your self when justified.
There is always someone higher than your boss/HR dept.