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Why did I wait :(
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VAT is disgusting in the UK
it goes to show we have no control over what we pay in reality.
ohh well, i hope the next gen AMD cards are good because as much as i want a nvidia card the prices and lack of opensource drivers (now getting more important these days) pushed me away.
...are we all just getting older and wiser? 
A lack of e-peen swinging desire is prevalent for me now. I used to be first to buy the new stuff...first to "update the sig" with the new gear, etc etc. Now I don't give a ****. I laugh at the titan buyers spending 800-900 card...fine if you have the money but a waste of money overall and pandering to the "prices must be higher and higher" strategy that Nvida seems to employ these days.
A lack of e-peen swinging desire is prevalent for me now. I used to be first to buy the new stuff...first to "update the sig" with the new gear, etc etc. Now I don't give a ****. I laugh at the titan buyers spending 800-900 card...fine if you have the money but a waste of money overall and pandering to the "prices must be higher and higher" strategy that Nvida seems to employ these days.
...are we all just getting older and wiser?
A lack of e-peen swinging desire is prevalent for me now. I used to be first to buy the new stuff...first to "update the sig" with the new gear, etc etc. Now I don't give a ****. I laugh at the titan buyers spending 800-900 card...fine if you have the money but a waste of money overall and pandering to the "prices must be higher and higher" strategy that Nvida seems to employ these days.
Titans have their uses and when bought for that they are very good. Having said that though if it was a toss up between a single Titan or GTX 690 I would go for the GTX 690 every time. If you wanted to use more than one card a pair of GTX 770s plus you could buy a mobo to run them on for the money would be my choice.
Yes for most things there are cheaper alternatives but Titans do have their uses.
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...are we all just getting older and wiser?
A lack of e-peen swinging desire is prevalent for me now. I used to be first to buy the new stuff...first to "update the sig" with the new gear, etc etc. Now I don't give a ****. I laugh at the titan buyers spending 800-900 card...fine if you have the money but a waste of money overall and pandering to the "prices must be higher and higher" strategy that Nvida seems to employ these days.
Nvidia have cards in all price ranges. You pay your money and you make your choice. It makes me laugh to see people complaining about prices when there are alternatives. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy a card at £800. I bought a Titan because I wanted the best. Be happy you have a choice.
+1
NVidia more or less match AMD at each performance/price point, if anyone is at fault here it is AMD for not having products that match the GTX 780 and Titans in their segment of the market.
I agree that the prices for the 780 and titans is too high but seen from Nvidias point of view - they have created a midrange gk104 chip with power enough to challenge the top of the line gpu from the competition in gfx performance, if not in compute and they saw an opening, just like the extreme intel processors, to create a product based on their compute card, the gk110, as an extreme equivalent.
Then they also have their compute cards and professional gfx card line which previously was the same chips as the top gpu cards but the price difference between them was extremely high.
This time they took longer to get the gk110 out the door. Concentrated on the prof gfx and compute market with the gk110 before releasing a consumer gpu based on the gk110. When they got to the point of creating a consumer gpu based on gk110 they still had no competition performance wise - it makes no business sense to sell those products at the same price as the competition high end cards if the performance is 50% better so off they went and took a clue from intel.
Sure I would love to get a titan for 400£ but until competition heats up a bit Nvidia has chosen to create an "Exclusive" product that has as much bling and l33t value as it has performance.
Then they also have their compute cards and professional gfx card line which previously was the same chips as the top gpu cards but the price difference between them was extremely high.
This time they took longer to get the gk110 out the door. Concentrated on the prof gfx and compute market with the gk110 before releasing a consumer gpu based on the gk110. When they got to the point of creating a consumer gpu based on gk110 they still had no competition performance wise - it makes no business sense to sell those products at the same price as the competition high end cards if the performance is 50% better so off they went and took a clue from intel.
Sure I would love to get a titan for 400£ but until competition heats up a bit Nvidia has chosen to create an "Exclusive" product that has as much bling and l33t value as it has performance.
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Nvidia can call it MK110 (Monkey110) for all I care...what I meant was for the price and performance of the GTX780, it should had been launched as a GTX685 around the same time as the GTX680 (or GTX690 if Nvidia had called their dual-GPU card GTX695 instead).
@op,
Don't buy Nvidia then, vote with your wallet and buy nothing or go AMD, enough do this, then prices may go back to where they should be.
Personally, my gripe about the Titan price was all about Nvidia pushing the bar up for cost of performance, which I said vocally at the time that it was all about force pricing up in general, if AMD follow suit and increase pricing, then imo, it's secret handshake time(again) between the two of them.
Many in here can afford to purchase Titan/780's/7990/690's etc but choose not to with their wallets.
The Titan is a very low volume niche card set at an incredible price point for one purpose.
Of course there are alternatives, but look what we are left with, 780 +~£130 increase for the 680 replacement...
If AMD follow suit, then **** them too, it'll be an XB1 and/or PS4 sitting in front of me as I can't see me upgrading this time due to a poxy 10/15% performance increase.
Laugh on when you want to keep up your hobby when a lot of the user base has left the scene and went console and you pay through the nose for paltry gains.
Don't buy Nvidia then, vote with your wallet and buy nothing or go AMD, enough do this, then prices may go back to where they should be.
Personally, my gripe about the Titan price was all about Nvidia pushing the bar up for cost of performance, which I said vocally at the time that it was all about force pricing up in general, if AMD follow suit and increase pricing, then imo, it's secret handshake time(again) between the two of them.
Many in here can afford to purchase Titan/780's/7990/690's etc but choose not to with their wallets.
The Titan is a very low volume niche card set at an incredible price point for one purpose.
Of course there are alternatives, but look what we are left with, 780 +~£130 increase for the 680 replacement...
If AMD follow suit, then **** them too, it'll be an XB1 and/or PS4 sitting in front of me as I can't see me upgrading this time due to a poxy 10/15% performance increase.
Laugh on when you want to keep up your hobby when a lot of the user base has left the scene and went console and you pay through the nose for paltry gains.
+1
Personally, my gripe about the Titan price was all about Nvidia pushing the bar up for cost of performance, which I said vocally at the time that it was all about force pricing up in general, if AMD follow suit and increase pricing, then imo, it's secret handshake time(again) between the two of them.
Many in here can afford to purchase Titan/780's/7990/690's etc but choose not to with their wallets.
The Titan is a very low volume niche card set at an incredible price point for one purpose.
Of course there are alternatives, but look what we are left with, 780 +~£130 increase for the 680 replacement...
If AMD follow suit, then **** them too, it'll be an XB1 and/or PS4 sitting in front of me as I can't see me upgrading this time due to a poxy 10/15% performance increase.
Laugh on when you want to keep up your hobby when a lot of the user base has left the scene and went console and you pay through the nose for paltry gains.
Titans have their uses but I don't make a habit of recommending them to anyone, I don't regret getting mine as they fill a niche that the GTX 780 can not. For normal gaming though I do recommend the GTX 780, some may be right in saying it is expensive but it one of the very best cards on the market.
I think if AMD come up with a card to rival the gtx 780, I think they will also be expensive - just look at the price of the HD 7990.
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I don't see many people bashing Intel for their Extreme chip pricing and yet Nvidia we have all this. We have far more choice in the graphics card market than we do in the cpu market.
It doesn't bother me that you have to pay £860 for the top end Intel cpu because my 3770 does exactly what I want it to do for the money I am prepared to pay. Ditto on the Titan / 780.
Again your choice.
It doesn't bother me that you have to pay £860 for the top end Intel cpu because my 3770 does exactly what I want it to do for the money I am prepared to pay. Ditto on the Titan / 780.
Again your choice.
You have just answered your own question, the cheaper CPUs are doing more than good enough for the money so people care less about top end CPUs.
But when it comes to GPUs its another matter, they have a far greater effect on gaming, people will always want more sooner and most in game settings get turned down due to the GPU rather than due to the CPU.
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Depends what you use the CPU for really.
With regard to gaming if you want more then you have to pay for it. Bottom line, Nvidia is a business, they have something you want, its a nice product. Surely you don't expect them to give it away?
It's all about making money and if it wasn't we wouldn't even be having this discussion!
The canned response its about making money as if none of us knew that.
Its called making excuses because most businesses are about making money which is no excuse for poor value for money or talk about it, which is ironic because most talk is about getting the most performance for the money and not performance regardless of the money when it comes to buying and not just looking at benchmarks and discussion of which is the fastest GPU/CPU available..
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Some are commenting that if im not happy with the price then vote with the wallet. I could not agree more. And in fairness I already have, I've bought AMD in the past due to price/performance (4870x2, 5850 & 5850cf) & also 2nd teir nvidia cards (5800NU, 6800GT, 7800GT & 7800GT sli) etc. I also didnt upgrade to the GTX680 as i did not think it was worthy for the performance increase.
The problem is that if enough people are willing to pay the required sums for the Titan, which clearly happened as they sold more than expected, then nvidia have now used this information as Tommybhoy has said as an excuse to ramp up prices. This now leaves us people who wish to upgrade but are "voting with our wallet" little choice, either cough up larger sums of money or go with nothing.
Now Nvidia could have got away with this price in my mind if they could justify it. If it came out offering 50% gains then I would be fine with this, im sure a lot of people here complaining of the price would be fine also. But it simply doesnt. I bought a GTX8800 that absolutely crushed the previous cards for £440. More performance gains for less money. The 4870 to 3870 was a huge jump, let alone the 4870x2 which i bought for £360 from pretty much day 1. A steal of a card that destroyed everything out there for sub £400.
Nowadays despite the recession, ironically the gpu makers seem to be bringing new tech with smaller improvements at bigger prices. WTF happened to dual gpu costs? Its quite ironic. Further so when you consider the next gen PS4 is about to be released at £350 all in. Now im not wishing to start a debate about the tech of the ps4, but we all know that price/performance will be dam good.
This is the problem with just 2 companies in the market. Lack of competition means the customer suffers. When AMD inevitably release their card in sept/oct & its slightly quicker than nvidia we all know now they will charge £475+ & nvidia remain at £525+ area, neither need to budge as both will get huge profit margins for each sale. Im sure AMD are extremely happy about nvidias pricing cause now they will just feed off each other to keep prices nice & high. Maybe there is a "handshake" involved.
And again like Tommybhoy says, many people here do have the funds (I certainly do), we are just simply not happy to be pulling our pants down now for a shafting. Nvidia can have my money but they need to show me why i should buy from them, offering paltry gains for MASSIVE increases in price doesnt cut it.
Im fine for people spending whatever amounts they want on computers but think that those arguing "If you cant afford it/don't wish to spend that much then dont buy it, in the mean time ill enjoy my GTX690/Titan" are shooting themselves in the foot & lying if they are genuinely fine with the pricing, im sure most of you would have been much happier paying less. When nvidia release their £2,000 card & you don't think its worth it but people argue the same reason to you maybe you'll join our side
The problem is that if enough people are willing to pay the required sums for the Titan, which clearly happened as they sold more than expected, then nvidia have now used this information as Tommybhoy has said as an excuse to ramp up prices. This now leaves us people who wish to upgrade but are "voting with our wallet" little choice, either cough up larger sums of money or go with nothing.
Now Nvidia could have got away with this price in my mind if they could justify it. If it came out offering 50% gains then I would be fine with this, im sure a lot of people here complaining of the price would be fine also. But it simply doesnt. I bought a GTX8800 that absolutely crushed the previous cards for £440. More performance gains for less money. The 4870 to 3870 was a huge jump, let alone the 4870x2 which i bought for £360 from pretty much day 1. A steal of a card that destroyed everything out there for sub £400.
Nowadays despite the recession, ironically the gpu makers seem to be bringing new tech with smaller improvements at bigger prices. WTF happened to dual gpu costs? Its quite ironic. Further so when you consider the next gen PS4 is about to be released at £350 all in. Now im not wishing to start a debate about the tech of the ps4, but we all know that price/performance will be dam good.
This is the problem with just 2 companies in the market. Lack of competition means the customer suffers. When AMD inevitably release their card in sept/oct & its slightly quicker than nvidia we all know now they will charge £475+ & nvidia remain at £525+ area, neither need to budge as both will get huge profit margins for each sale. Im sure AMD are extremely happy about nvidias pricing cause now they will just feed off each other to keep prices nice & high. Maybe there is a "handshake" involved.
And again like Tommybhoy says, many people here do have the funds (I certainly do), we are just simply not happy to be pulling our pants down now for a shafting. Nvidia can have my money but they need to show me why i should buy from them, offering paltry gains for MASSIVE increases in price doesnt cut it.
Im fine for people spending whatever amounts they want on computers but think that those arguing "If you cant afford it/don't wish to spend that much then dont buy it, in the mean time ill enjoy my GTX690/Titan" are shooting themselves in the foot & lying if they are genuinely fine with the pricing, im sure most of you would have been much happier paying less. When nvidia release their £2,000 card & you don't think its worth it but people argue the same reason to you maybe you'll join our side
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I agree with this also, in terms of the pricing, its a joke. But like some one has responded, the cpu doesnt effect most of the people here as much as the gpu. Most of us here are probably gamers, & the biggest effect on that is the gpu. We are fine with the cheaper cpus because they do the job. While games really take a hit from increased res & AA, we need stronger gpus to keep the fps up so we need to regularly cough up for this. Apart from the fun of overclocking a new cpu I dont really see a difference to my gaming experience, im much more excited about what a new gpu will offer me.
@JonnyG1982
I spent £1900 on 2 custom AIB Cards, they were great but im not going to make excuses for what they cost, being custom AIB they also don't influence the price of normal cards.
I spent £1900 on 2 custom AIB Cards, they were great but im not going to make excuses for what they cost, being custom AIB they also don't influence the price of normal cards.
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