Why did I wait :(

The Asgard · 19 Jul 2013 at 11:28

Final8y said:
The canned response its about making money as if none of us knew that.
Its called making excuses because most businesses are about making money which is no excuse for poor value for money or talk about it, which is ironic because most talk is about getting the most performance for the money and not performance regardless of the money when it comes to buying and not just looking at benchmarks and discussion of which is the fastest GPU/CPU available..

Its only poor value if you can't afford it. I have no issues with the price and I find value for what I want it to do. If I couldn't afford it I would buy something cheaper. Yes, I would want a Titan but ... You pay your money and make your choice.

I would like a bugatti Veyron but I probably won't be in a situation this year to buy one.

You Have Choice!

Final8y · 19 Jul 2013 at 11:51

The Asgard said:
Its only poor value if you can't afford it. I have no issues with the price and I find value for what I want it to do. If I couldn't afford it I would buy something cheaper. Yes, I would want a Titan but ... You pay your money and make your choice.

I would like a bugatti Veyron but I probably won't be in a situation this year to buy one.

You Have Choice!

Sorry but i can afford it and its still poor value and the definition of value is not linked to what people can afford, its comprised of what your getting for the money while also comparing to what else is available and to what increases over past offerings while taking costs into account.

I will likely spend far more on my next upgrade than what a Titan cost just like i have in the past, but it will certainly be better value for my money than a Titan.

Dont keep confusing Value for money and what people can afford they are 2 separating things, you can have some things that are great value for money and still the majority could never afford it.

Marine-RX179 · 19 Jul 2013 at 12:06

The Asgard said:
Its only poor value if you can't afford it. I have no issues with the price and I find value for what I want it to do. If I couldn't afford it I would buy something cheaper.

Yes...I am sure you would happily open your wallet to buy 2 pints of milk at £4, and a pint of milk at £2 :rolleyes:

HouR · 19 Jul 2013 at 12:06

meh - I paid £310 11 years ago for a Radeon 9700 pro white box OEM day of release.
A 780 can be picked up on overclockers for £500.

That really that bad considering everything else that rises?
Probably not comparable but wonders what I was paying for petrol 11 years ago... (seems about 70p a litre)

Marine-RX179 · 19 Jul 2013 at 12:09

HouR said:
meh - I paid £310 11 years ago for a Radeon 9700 pro white box OEM day of release.
A 780 can be picked up on overclockers for £500.

That really that bad considering everything else that rises?
Probably not comparable but wonders what I was paying for petrol 11 years ago... (seems about 70p a litre)

You forgot one thing though...comparing to performance increase of the 9700, or 8800GTX over the fastest cards 1 gen before it, the performance increase nowadays between each gens went down the gutter in comparison, with only a pitiful average of 10-30% increase as standard.

Bluntwrapped · 19 Jul 2013 at 13:32

There will always be muppets who queue up and jump right in to buy the newest gen hardware regardless of the price, then pull what ever reason out of their ass in attempt to justify spending so much.

Multi monitor seems to be the most common way to justify throwing money down the pan.

As long as these people exist Nvidia have no reason to reduce their pricing.

Boldie007 · 19 Jul 2013 at 13:53

Bluntwrapped said:
There will always be muppets who queue up and jump right in to buy the newest gen hardware regardless of the price, then pull what ever reason out of their ass in attempt to justify spending so much.

Multi monitor seems to be the most common way to justify throwing money down the pan.

As long as these people exist Nvidia have no reason to reduce their pricing.

There also those that choose to drink and smoke....this isn't a waste?

The best prices for the 680 were on launch day so why not?

Final8y · 19 Jul 2013 at 14:02

Boldie007 said:
There also those that choose to drink and smoke....this isn't a waste?

That was not his point, people dont go around saying that drinking and smoking is good value for money.
Spend you're money how you like, just dont kid you're self that your getting value when you're not.

BS Dave · 19 Jul 2013 at 14:25

OP i don't think you should be too harsh on yourself - i bought a 7970 on launch day, and even though it's a good clocker, when prices started to plummet and free games handed out like sweets i started to feel pretty bitter...

What i learned is never buy one brand until the other one has their answer to it out...

As soon as the next AMD line come out i expect nvidia prices to come down...(still won't buy one though - come on team RED!!

)

elmuzzy66. · 19 Jul 2013 at 15:00

Final8y said:
That was not his point, people dont go around saying that drinking and smoking is good value for money.
Spend you're money how you like, just dont kid you're self that your getting value when you're not.

Problem seems to arise when people want to ram down your throat that only value matters.

The Asgard · 19 Jul 2013 at 15:06

Final8y said:
Sorry but i can afford it and its still poor value and the definition of value is not linked to what people can afford, its comprised of what your getting for the money while also comparing to what else is available and to what increases over past offerings while taking costs into account.

I will likely spend far more on my next upgrade than what a Titan cost just like i have in the past, but it will certainly be better value for my money than a Titan.

Dont keep confusing Value for money and what people can afford they are 2 separating things, you can have some things that are great value for money and still the majority could never afford it.

I'm not really interested in value with something I enjoy. I used to ride motor bikes, there was no value there just enjoyment. You probably don't mind blowing 1K on a 2 week holiday. I don't mind blowing 800 quid on a Titan.

The Asgard · 19 Jul 2013 at 15:07

Marine-RX179 said:
Yes...I am sure you would happily open your wallet to buy 2 pints of milk at £4, and a pint of milk at £2

That's just silly!

Final8y · 19 Jul 2013 at 15:08

elmuzzy66. said:
Problem seems to arise when people want to ram down your throat that only value matters.

Most of the time i buy what i want regardless of the Value, i just dont make excuses when it not based on Value as if it was, i buy mostly on want and needs, most of the time its not ram down your throat that only value matters, its people not admitting bad Value is what people are up in arms about in regards to others and not that Value only matters and people buying not based on it should be shot down, most of the time people are only posting there own opinions on what they think is good Value.

Final8y · 19 Jul 2013 at 15:08

The Asgard said:
I'm not really interested in value with something I enjoy. I used to ride motor bikes, there was no value there just enjoyment. You probably don't mind blowing 1K on a 2 week holiday. I don't mind blowing 800 quid on a Titan.

No problem with that, i paid £950 each for my cards.

The Asgard · 19 Jul 2013 at 15:09

elmuzzy66. said:
Problem seems to arise when people want to ram down your throat that only value matters.

+1

stealthgeek · 19 Jul 2013 at 15:25

tommybhoy said:
@op,

Don't buy Nvidia then, vote with your wallet and buy nothing or go AMD, enough do this, then prices may go back to where they should be.

Personally, my gripe about the Titan price was all about Nvidia pushing the bar up for cost of performance, which I said vocally at the time that it was all about force pricing up in general, if AMD follow suit and increase pricing, then imo, it's secret handshake time(again) between the two of them.

Many in here can afford to purchase Titan/780's/7990/690's etc but choose not to with their wallets.

The Titan is a very low volume niche card set at an incredible price point for one purpose.

Of course there are alternatives, but look what we are left with, 780 +~£130 increase for the 680 replacement...

If AMD follow suit, then **** them too, it'll be an XB1 and/or PS4 sitting in front of me as I can't see me upgrading this time due to a poxy 10/15% performance increase.

Laugh on when you want to keep up your hobby when a lot of the user base has left the scene and went console and you pay through the nose for paltry gains.

Same here. I still have my 6970, thought about upgrading, but I refuse to spend over £400 for something that gives paltry performance gains over what I already have.

My PS4 preorder will be £350 and will outperform my PC. Dont get me wrong, I could afford multiple Titans if I wanted to throw my money away, but Im not spending more on 1 component than the cost of a whole new system and then not get better performance than the console.

And what a surprise - Titan buyers defending their purchase.

The Asgard · 19 Jul 2013 at 15:28

stealthgeek said:
And what a surprise - Titan buyers defending their purchase.

Titan/780 buyers don't need to defend their purchase because it was a choice. :rolleyes:

Marine-RX179 · 19 Jul 2013 at 15:30

The Asgard said:
That's just silly!

And many people thought exactly the same toward the price of GTX780. People already mentally prepared for the GTX780 being launch at higher price than GTX680 did, but not at £150-£250 more :eek:

stealthgeek · 19 Jul 2013 at 15:31

Alright, I rephrase - Titan buyers defending Nvidias pricing strategy

The Asgard · 19 Jul 2013 at 15:45

Marine-RX179 said:
And many people thought exactly the same toward the price of GTX780. People already mentally prepared for the GTX780 being launch at higher price than GTX680 did, but not at £150-£250 more

So don't buy it stick with your 680. That's your choice.

Nvidia/ATI could do nothing for the next 5 years and just sell the same thing. Would you be more happier?

Guys, prices are going up everywhere. Petrol, food, clothes .....

R&D costs...

personally I am surprised we have had it so good for so long.