Why do Michelin restaurants charge a service fee....

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When they're already charging well over £100 for a simple lunch, and over £200 for dinner along with £100+ for a pairing of wine ?

Why can't they just increase prices 10% instead of adding 10% on the bill ?

Psychologically I resent paying the additional 10% while I wouldn't complain if the 10% was already priced into the menu

It's not like you've even got a choice to go and get the food from the Chef yourself so really serving charges should be part of the price, not an additional charge at the end

Should tipping for somebody doing the job they are already paid to do still even be a thing in 2023 ? It's not like you tip the postman, or the plumber, or the train driver for doing their job satisfactorily
 
Servers could be on minimum wage though, or worse, an 'apprenticeship...'
It doesn't make sense though, is there some tax benefit to avoid paying them a wage equal to 10% more expensive menus vs giving the 10% tip ?

It's not like service is difficult to require more than minimum wage though, you're literally just ferrying plates to tables and taking orders ? Does good service even exist ? I don't think it does, there's just "Service" or bad service where things don't go expected
 
If it was added to the bill, you wouldn’t get the option of asking for the service charge to be taken off. If you don’t like the idea of paying it then don’t.
 
I've been to a couple of restaurants in London recently with 15% service charges, e.g. Kricket Soho which isn't particularly fancy. Historically I've been happy to pay a 10% service charge in lieu of a tip if the service is decent. Then 12.5% became more common but not worth arguing over. However 15% is a joke and getting close to US standards - next time I see it I'm minded to get the whole thing removed from the bill
 
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If it was added to the bill, you wouldn’t get the option of asking for the service charge to be taken off. If you don’t like the idea of paying it then don’t.
I don't mind paying for service as part of the bill, I just don't like them adding it at the end of the bill and giving you a faux choice, where if you say no, you're an *******, unless the service was truly terrible but rarely do you get terrible service, you just get typical service mostly, I guess if the waiters did cart wheels or magic tricks you could say it was "good" service
 
I never pay an optional service charge. Absolutely never.

I'll nearly always leave a tip to a waiter who has served the table throughout. That's different. That's discretionary and is about how attentive they were.

That anywhere is depending on a service charge to pay their staff. I won't go there.
 
It doesn't make sense though, is there some tax benefit to avoid paying them a wage equal to 10% more expensive menus vs giving the 10% tip ?

It's not like service is difficult to require more than minimum wage though, you're literally just ferrying plates to tables and taking orders ? Does good service even exist ? I don't think it does, there's just "Service" or bad service where things don't go expected
Of course it’s got tax benefits, your effectively paying the waiter cash in hand.
 
If there's a service charge then I don't leave a tip, if not I do.

The problem is the service charge is the restaurant making us pay their staffs wages which is totally wrong as we already pay the wages just by buying the food in the first place.

This isn't fair on the staff so I don't go back to restaurant's who charge a service charge.
 
Because people eat in their restaurants, and want to be seen eating in their restaurants, and want to put the fact that they've eaten in a michelin restaurant on social media.
 
It doesn't make sense though, is there some tax benefit to avoid paying them a wage equal to 10% more expensive menus vs giving the 10% tip ?
There is, as discretionary service charges do not incur VAT. Additionally, service charges go to the kitchen and other staff as well, rather than any tips you leave for the table staff. It's not just Michelin places that do this, though, and it's still discretionary so you can just demand it be taken off your bill.

However, the pandemic has changed things, as the discretionary payments and other tronc were excluded from furlough. This meant that staff got around 40% of earnings rather than the 80% of the scheme.
It could be (and likely was) argued that restuarants should pay staff more, but that only ends up in prices increasing and already plenty of places couldn't afford to stay open with the Covid-levels of reduced footfall.
Some places are trying to go without the service charge to see if it makes things any better... time will tell.

And yes, good service does exist - If you haven't picked up on the difference, you haven't been going to the right restaurants!
 
And yes, good service does exist - If you haven't picked up on the difference, you haven't been going to the right restaurants!
What is good service ? Unless they start giving massages or sorting my taxes while I eat or something beyond service, then it's just merely "service" and if there's issues, then it's bad service

For instance there's service on a first class flight, from the lounge with free drinks & food, to the flight, with the attendants taking care of you, you don't even tip them for this as it's pretty much standard on first class

In a restaurant it's just taking your order, drinks and checking if your food was okay, there's not much more to it, maybe suggesting a drink to go with the meal, there aren't levels of good, there's either service or bad service
 
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Yup know what really bugs me, is when I (regularly) go and eat at 3 star Michelin restaurants spending £400+ plus on dinner and the table cloths clash with the colour of my Gucci belt.

Nothing worse.

Too poor to own more than one belt and colour match with the table cloth?
 
In a restaurant it's just taking your order, drinks and checking if your food was okay, there's not much more to it, maybe suggesting a drink to go with the meal, there aren't levels of good, there's either service or bad service
In a normal restaurant, yes... if normal for you is TGI Fridays, perhaps.
Michelin service is more focussed on all the details that turn it from a service, in which you are served by a servant, to an experience. Its the same sort of service you'd get from the best tailors in Saville Row, compared to the checkout girl in TK Max.

"Imagine how, at a normal restaurant, the squeeze bottle that holds olive oil on the salad station will be like one of those refillable ketchup bottles from a diner. It will probably have a thin film of grease and salt on the outside.
At a Michelin-starred restaurant, it will be a Clairol tint-bottle, because the necks are stronger and the tips are finer. It will be impeccably clean, because otherwise, your fingers will carry greasy fingerprints to the plates.
That’s the main difference. A clean, precise oil bottle instead of a greasy, imprecise oil bottle.
Then apply that concept to literally every aspect of the operation - That's what makes Michelin-standard service"
Michael Ruhlman

"Service is pleasing - For a brand that means pleasure, customer service cannot be based on the idea that service means ‘being a servant’. Service is about delivering pleasure to customers. Staff also need to experience the pleasure of being professionals, constantly aiming to master their art. This is neatly wrapped into the commercial success of the restaurant with the idea that every service interaction is a unique opportunity to please and pleasing inevitably leads to profits"
Diego Masciaga

“No one who considers themselves a regular wants to be greeted with a desultory 'Been here before?'”

^This one is an especially good point. There are several Michelin places that we visit, some more frequently than others due to the distance, but on all return visits we have been recognised, greeted by name and welcomed like important people, even when it's been 4 years since we were last there.... and just as importantly, we remember the staff.
I spent a good hour late one evening chatting with William Birch, the sommelier at Inverlochy Castle, as I enjoyed the cigar and port he recommended. Years later it was as if we'd only been there the previous night.
On good weather days Diego, the chap mentioned above from the Waterside Inn, will let us take the launch out for an amble up the river, and since I always pilot it there'll be a glass of the wife's favourite champagne already aboard and waiting.
L'Ortolan is our local place and because we go several times a year, we know most of the house staff by name, with the exception of any newbies. We still hang out in the bar after food, where Maciej will make us one of the best martinis on the planet, and keep us updated on how his brother Jakob is doing after leaving the restaurant and returning to Poland.
We even know where some of the older hands moved on and have gone to visit their new places, too, with no real justification other than knowing we can expect great service. Most recently we went to a non-Michelin place, yet Alexandra the maitre'd remembered us from years back at L'Ortolan, straight away pointed out the smoking area for me and even remembered how we like our coffees done.

We're not especially rich or famous so I'm sure these places keep records of every guest or something but, however they do it, they really know their stuff and you don't get that kind of service at normal restaurants!
 
Of course it’s got tax benefits, your effectively paying the waiter cash in hand.

No you aren't.

Service charge should go to all staff, shared equally based on hours worked and is usually given as a "bonus" on your pay slip.
Of course, plenty of shady places pocket the service charge and the staff never see much, if any of it. But you pay tax and NI on it, same as your normal earnings.
 
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