Why do people think it acceptable to break the Speed Limit.

They've put new white with black border 40 MPH MAX signs in an NSL just before a bend near me recently... the number of drivers who take that to mean 40 MPH after that point... though I suspect a lot of the older drivers are interpreting in that way willingly... dunno what has happened to prompt that change but the number of drivers who don't understand the new signage is concerning.
 
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Resident said:
Using "personal bias" as a way to attack the poster is just puerile.
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These threads always go the same way, the poster gets attacked and accused of lying about their own driving/driving a slow car/having poor driving skills etc., while none of their points - valid or not - are actually addressed. I suspect the posters doing the attacking are reluctant to admit to themselves that they feel the law shouldn't apply to them, and so attack the poster to deflect.

BUDFORCE said:
Is doing 120 mph down some of the rural roads where I live where there is NOTHING around. Your only going to kill a deer, or yourself.
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This is exactly the thought process which gets people killed. Yes it's fine, and there's NOTHING around. Until it's not, and there's a tractor round that corner, or a broken down car, or a pair of cyclists, or someone riding a horse, or a group of ramblers.

BUDFORCE said:
There are far more dangerous things people can do whilst driving, texting on phone, doing make up etc. us some people just have lower mental capacity and therefore inferior drivers but there is no test for that right.
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Agreed, and all of the above should also be treated far more harshly, but unfortunately, as you say, it's far more difficult to spot these than checking speed.
 
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You can tell there is a few people in here that don't really give a **** about driving laws, you'll find that changes when one of your loved ones is killed because of a road accident.
 
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Haggisman said:
They should invent some kind of special closed off road where you can go to if you want to drive fast :p
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But then people would move next to said special road and complain about the noise even though said special road was there long before them.
 
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40% is false.
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The post said death or serious injury, not simply the most common causes of all incidents.

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Note the speed category is further broken down

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kindai said:
But then people would move next to said special road and complain about the noise even though said special road was there long before them.
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They can be used as crash test dummies for public awareness films on the dangers of speeding.

200sols said:
Note the speed category is further broken down

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So that's only 21.1% actually caused by speeding...
 
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adidan said:
And there are plenty of winding country roads with a 60 limit you'd never do 60 down unless you want to either end up in a ditch or face first in a tractor coming round the bend.

Don't get me started on speed bumps. Damned things not only mess with your car but they're a hindrance to ambulances, delaying response times and impacting patient care.

Not to mention other emergency services.
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Yep, like random single lane roads which are NSL. You cant do more than about 10 unless you are suicidal.

But they don't get bothered with because lowering the limit and sticking a camera there won't make any income. Whereas lowering a 60 to a 40 and throwing one up after a bend, or at the bottom of a hill does. It's all about money really, safety is the excuse used to push anything controversial.
 
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Nasher said:
They don't get bothered with because lowering the limit and sticking a camera won't make any income.
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They don't get bothered with because there are millions of them all over the UK and sending a team out to assess them for an appropriate limit is a waste of time and money unless they're a significant accident blackspot...
 
Haggisman said:
They don't get bothered with because there are millions of them all over the UK and sending a team out to assess them for an appropriate limit is a waste of time and money unless they're a significant accident blackspot...
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There are millions of other roads too. But those do get camera as they are busier and generate more money from fines...

Most cameras I've seen aren't in accident hotspots, they are in places most likely to catch people. So clearly they aren't really about safety.

E.g. The A5 from Old Stratford, MK to Towcester is an accident prone road, especially for bikes. Not a single camera on it, because it's a long straight road and you'd see it a mile off...
 
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Resident said:
LINK - Times Article - Below is the text in case you can't get around the paywall.
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This was 13 years ago! I'm not claiming such incidents don't exist, but you've helpfully reinforced my point that they're incredibly rare.

Resident said:
Traffic controls systems are there for everyone's safety, it's never appropriate regardless of road user.
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So why aren't speed limits regarded in the same way as 'traffic control systems'? And why are drivers the arbiters of which laws are incontrovertible rather than other road users? Cycling through a red light is clearly not the same as driving a bus through one. If people can justify speeding by context why doesn't that apply in other cases?
 
The answer is simple.
But multiple reasons.
1. Because people can get away with it
2. Because people want to go faster
3. Cars can get to much higher speeds without any effort...

yea... you wont stop people speeding any time soon.
 
200sols said:
21% of all deaths seems like a pretty big factor to me. Driving too fast for conditions is also a factor in the speed conversation, clearly people overestimating their ability.
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Thing is usually if people have an accident while speeding, they were also driving dangerously.

But speeding is written down as the cause of the crash when it really wasn't.

People kick off at someone going a few mph over the limit, but they'll go and put budget tyres or cheap brakes on their car. That's more dangerous in poor conditions.
 
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Nasher said:
Thing is usually if people have an accident while speeding, they were also driving dangerously.
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What a load of nonsense.

Someone driving 75mph on an empty motorway on a clear dry day is speeding, but not driving dangerously.
Someone driving 55mph round blind corners on a twisty single track NSL country lane squeezing past groups of cyclists is not speeding, but they are driving dangerously.

200sols said:
21% of all deaths seems like a pretty big factor to me.
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But still lower than driving dangerously/aggressively/recklessly or too fast for the conditions, and only just higher than drink/drug driving.

200sols said:
Driving too fast for conditions is also a factor in the speed conversation, clearly people overestimating their ability.
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No disagreements, there, but that's not breaking the speed limit, which is the point the OP was addressing.
 
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Speed is such a non issue lately, it's so rare you see someone speeding excessively compared to the amount of dimwits bumbling around not paying attention. I'm lucky to just be able to drive at the speed limit in clear conditions now, the M25 in some parts is almost like a 50 zone because it's 4 lanes of people not realising you need to give the car more throttle when going uphill or too stupid to use cruise control. Lane discipline is non existent, people can't even keep in their lane around roundabouts. People veering into my side of the road or not moving when the light goes green because they can't put their phones down for a minute.
 
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Haggisman said:
What a load of nonsense.

Someone driving 75mph on an empty motorway on a clear dry day is speeding, but not driving dangerously.
Someone driving 55mph round blind corners on a twisty single track NSL country lane squeezing past groups of cyclists is not speeding, but they are driving dangerously.
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Ok
 
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