Why do people think OSX is so great?

The app writes config / preference files to ~/Library. Anything that adds startup entries tends to come with a PKG uninstaller.
 
I'm with you on this.

Osx is pretty dire overall, it has one saving grace which is a proper BSD back end so I can use a terminal to get work done. The lack of which in window makes it windows utterly useless dog excrement for actual work so OSX needs to be commended for that.

But it is silly that a supposedly easy OS ends up forcing you to do everything through the terminal if you want any control. As you said, the file manager is worse than windows 3.1 and is basically useless and can be uninstantalled. I hate doing file management in a windows most of the time which is why I never touch windows but at least in windows it is relatively easy. I had an issue the other day when I wanted to sort files by types but I had my baby in one hand and thought I could do it with the mouse one handed. Complete failure of an OS, I had to spend several minutes on google searching for proper file sorting. I can't remember the bizarre procedure involved. It's default sort is by categories, so JPEG and pigs would mix together rather than giving a list of jpgs then a list of pngs.

And that is just one example of an uncountable set where OSX just is insanely backwards. I wanted to then view a slide show of some images and this again involved having to use google to find a solution. So it turns out you have to select all the photos and press some odd keyboard combination like space + control + shift or command or some such. This is just so typically of OSX, you want to do something simply and you end up with some key combination of 5 keys which require 3 hands or discolcated fingers when on any other OS it is just a right mouse click or press the delete key.


Then there is the stability issues, it makes windows seem like a dream which is saying something. And the memory usage is through the roof.



It's a damn shame because I would love for it to work. I typically use Linux for anything serious but sometimes have to use windows for things like lightroom, or for gaming. People try to sell OSX as an optimal combination of the best parts of windows and unix. It's not, it's an awkward combination of most of the worst parts of each but with a mostly usable terminal thrown in to keep you sane. There are more or less as many software issues as Linux (I still have to have windows for several software packages, even design related stuff, as well as gaming) and the terminal and BSD core is not as convient as Linux.


Basically windows plus Linux dual boot is a far better setup than OSX, which is pretty much how I use my iMac 90% of the time!

So much truth here.

I've had my Air for 2 years and still find it a pain in the ****. Most of the issues have already been mentioned but my most annoying ones are...

Resizing
Terminal (you even need it to hide and unhide hidden files - I had an update unhide all system files)
Finder - Pile of absolute excrement - agree with the Win 3.1 comments
The way it deals with slideshows as you touched upon D.P. Especially photos. in fact it's handling of photos is generally awful. Yes you have the spacebar but you can't zoom in. Use preview on the other hand and you can zoom in but can't scroll through photos... Make the mistake of importing photos using iPhoto and you end up not being able to access them in Photoshop...

Had the beach ball a reasonable amount too, and my machine crashed a few times, however it only did that in the first couple of months.

I actually wrote another thread almost identical to this a couple of years ago. It seems it's not better, it's just different in many ways...

I love my Air, the trackpad gestures are brilliant (as are the multiple desktops as already mentioned). It's a great web browsing machine, but for productivity give me windows any day of the week!

EDIT: Oh and to add to the list. The trash/recycle bin. Deleting stuff only moves it to the trash folder on the drive it was on, much like windows. Fine - Problem is it doesn't automatically delete when the drive is full. That means to actually make, for example, a USB stick useable on OSX you have to empty the trash for the entire machine. Otherwise you end up with 4GB USB stick with 3.5GB of "trash" and 500MB of actual usable space...
 
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It's another concept from the classic Mas OS. It didn't support file extensions (as it didn't need them) and uses a file type code to determine which application opens a specific kind of file. OS X added file extension support as it's Unix/NEXTSTEP derived. There's also an additional creator code to indicate which application and version created a particular file, which Mac OS will use if it's available.

This is something else that gripes me. Windows is a modern OS with a modern UI that was built from the bottom up for usability, OSX is still a UNIX system that someone bolted a UI over, hence the incessant need for Terminal IMO.


Which is just utter madness.


It is very common to get a directly with the same kinds of files (e.g. images) but different types so you want to sort it by extension, jpg/png/gif/etc.

I've never had a need to sort files by kind, but sorting by type is almost a daily occurrence.
A prime example would be sorting between RAW files and jpegs. A pretty standard thing many photographers do. Kind doesn't let you do that (but HEX's None then Kind does - useful to know!)!
 
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The way it deals with slideshows as you touched upon D.P. Especially photos. in fact it's handling of photos is generally awful. Yes you have the spacebar but you can't zoom in. Use preview on the other hand and you can zoom in but can't scroll through photos... Make the mistake of importing photos using iPhoto and you end up not being able to access them in Photoshop...

The way to solve this is to select all files and then open in preview. Yes, it sucks. But it's slightly better than not having it at all.
 
Yep, but it's still a rather large design flaw. How difficult can it be to set it up so preview allows you to scroll through photos without highlighting? It's like many of the issues with OSX, there is no real reason not to sort them out, they just seem to be there, having never been sorted since the 80s. It's probably one of the reasons the OS always had such a small marketshare.
 
This is something else that gripes me. Windows is a modern OS with a modern UI that was built from the bottom up for usability, OSX is still a UNIX system that someone bolted a UI over, hence the incessant need for Terminal IMO.

There is no "incessant need" for Terminal, at all. Some more advanced features are not exposed in the Mac OS X UI, that is true, and for those cases there exists a very good Terminal (PowerShell is Microsoft realising that it's an important thing to have) and a healthy collection of third-party applications. 99% of Mac users won't need to touch Terminal, the other 1% practically live in it.

I agree that Finder isn't the greatest (hence why I got familiar with rsync), but if you're managing digital assets in a file explorer then you're doing it wrong anyway - that's what Aperture / Lightroom are for.

You can zoom using Quick Look anyway, use the trackpad gesture.
 
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I have a 13" Air, lovely machine physically, but I agree with many of the annoyances in the OP. I often have to connect to various projectors and it's a real hit and miss procedure. Oh, and Keynote sucks donkey danglies, as does the file manager. As a veteran of pretty much every version of Windows since it was an optional GUI, OSX seems a step back in so many respects and even Windows 8.1 is a joy to use in comparison

/dons flame suit
 
I can honestly hand-on-heart say I have never had an issue getting a Mac to connect to an external display that wasn't an issue with a cable or the display. The biggest issue that you might have with installed projectors is where whoever put it in decided that it wasn't worth using an EDID cloner and then only ran video signals, so the computer has no idea what the display at the other end is. This is 100% the fault of the ****** who put the system in.
 
10/10 thread. Would read again for some of the broken, non-sensical reasoning alone.

OS X ain't perfect, but it seems that half of you don't know how to use it!
 
There is no "incessant need" for Terminal, at all. Some more advanced features are not exposed in the Mac OS X UI, that is true, and for those cases there exists a very good Terminal (PowerShell is Microsoft realising that it's an important thing to have) and a healthy collection of third-party applications. 99% of Mac users won't need to touch Terminal, the other 1% practically live in it.

I agree that Finder isn't the greatest (hence why I got familiar with rsync), but if you're managing digital assets in a file explorer then you're doing it wrong anyway - that's what Aperture / Lightroom are for.

You can zoom using Quick Look anyway, use the trackpad gesture.

Except you can't show or hide hidden/system files without using the terminal in OSX. Windows has control panel, unfortunately OSX doesn't have anything anywhere near as powerful.

As for managing digital assets. Sometimes lightroom is good, sometimes using explorer/finder is better. It's a shame iPhoto works the way it does, otherwise it would be a useful viewing asset , unfortunately because it hides the files inside a wrapper that can't be accessed through other programs (but can be browsed in Finder) it's pointless.

I use my Air on trips to sort photos. I use a windows machine to edit at home (using explorer, lightroom and Photoshop). I spend most of my time at work on a windows machine and I spend most of my time at home on the Air...

Congratulations... I can't... Using Lion here, maybe they fixed it in mountain lion?
 
I can honestly hand-on-heart say I have never had an issue getting a Mac to connect to an external display that wasn't an issue with a cable or the display. The biggest issue that you might have with installed projectors is where whoever put it in decided that it wasn't worth using an EDID cloner and then only ran video signals, so the computer has no idea what the display at the other end is. This is 100% the fault of the ****** who put the system in.

Always the fault of something else right? No mention that the windows running hardware probably worked fine in all those situations. We had similar problems when I was at uni. All the guest lecturers and students attaching windows machines to projectors and other displays rarely had issues, the macbooks on the other hand were 50:50.
 
What's your point? We both have anecdotal evidence, and I gave a reason as to why you might be struggling. Broken EDID is the fault of the display. Other issues I've seen are caused by £3 off eBay Mini DisplayPort to VGA dongles which break quite regularly. Again, not the fault of the OS.

You're running a version of Mac OS from 2011. Maybe upgrade to Mavericks (it's free) and re-evaluate it?

Needing to use the Terminal to show/hide system files still doesn't mean that there's a "need" to use the Terminal as part of using the OS on a daily basis. What are you doing where you need to get to the system files?
 
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What's your point? We both have anecdotal evidence, and I gave a reason as to why you might be struggling. Broken EDID is the fault of the display. Other issues I've seen are caused by £3 off eBay Mini DisplayPort to VGA dongles which break quite regularly. Again, not the fault of the OS.

You're running a version of Mac OS from 2011. Maybe upgrade to Mavericks (it's free) and re-evaluate it?

Needing to use the Terminal to show/hide system files still doesn't mean that there's a "need" to use the Terminal as part of using the OS on a daily basis. What are you doing where you need to get to the system files?

When machines work with 80-90% of computers you need to start wondering if there is a problem with the 10-20% that don't work.

It's not a free upgrade from Lion, unless it's changed in recent months?

The only reason I needed to hide system files was because an update defaulted to showing them...;)
 
It's a free upgrade for anyone who has the Mac App Store, always has been.

http://www.apple.com/uk/osx/how-to-upgrade/

I've connected Macs to lots of different sorts of displays - LED walls, pixel mapped lights, plasma walls, fibre optic transmitters etc. In all the cases where there was no EDID information they refused point blank to play ball. Get the EDID right and they worked 100% of the time. Just because Windows can be forced to detect displays and certain resolutions can be set manually doesn't mean the systems were installed properly. The advantage of having working EDID is that you connect the display and the native resolution gets used straight away, every time.
 
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So much fail in this thread.

Apple will always be something people love to hate.

I feel like doing a comparison thread that explains the flaws in Windows 8
 
It's not a free upgrade from Lion, unless it's changed in recent months?

Mavericks has always been a free upgrade from 10.6 Snow Leopard or higher.

http://www.apple.com/uk/osx/how-to-upgrade/ said:
You can upgrade to OS X Mavericks from Snow Leopard (10.6.8), Lion (10.7) or Mountain Lion (10.8). Click the link below if you have an older version of OS X.

Frankly Lion was rubbish. It ran like a dog on 4GB, and at work we had so many issues with the "we don't need SAMBA" networking stack we just refused to allow Lion machines on the network.

On the EDID thing - I've had problems as well. Suprisingly it's a Panasonic TV connected by VGA, not some noname piece of crap. It doesn't broadcast an EDID (Panny's fault), so OS X gets proper confused and locks out anything other than 1024x768 @ 60Hz. Ended up using SwitchResX to add the missing resolution info to OS X and it was fine.
 
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Mavericks has always been a free upgrade from 10.6 Snow Leopard or higher.



Frankly Lion was rubbish. It ran like a dog on 4GB, and at work we had so many issues with the "we don't need SAMBA" networking stack we just refused to allow Lion machines on the network.

On the EDID thing - I've had problems as well. Suprisingly it's a Panasonic TV connected by VGA, not some noname piece of crap. It doesn't broadcast an EDID (Panny's fault), so OS X gets proper confused and locks out anything other than 1024x768 @ 60Hz. Ended up using SwitchResX to add the missing resolution info to OS X and it was fine.

I don't know how I missed that! I remember it being a free upgrade but when I looked into it it only seemed to be from Mountain Lion... It was sat in my app store notification...!:o

Hopefully it'll sort some of the problems out I've had although we shall see...

At least I wasn't comparing Windows XP to the latest version of OSX like many ardent apple supporters do on other forums.:p (Just for the record I won an Air and an iPad mini and love them both!)

Have you tried to connect a windows based laptop to the screen? If so what does that do? If it works fine then it can be added to the "bugs" that should easily be sorted out by Apple but somehow aren't. There is nothing major wrong with OSX, it's just the small niggles that it has, same with every version of Windows (for one I hate the stupid snap features on W7> but at least you can turn it off!).
 
At least I wasn't comparing Windows XP to the latest version of OSX like many ardent apple supporters do on other forums.:p (Just for the record I won an Air and an iPad mini and love them both!)

I won an iPad 1 a few years ago. Never got on with it, sat unused most of the time. Went on loan to my sister for a while, then ended up selling it my parents for a nominal amount so I could get the screen upgrade on a new MBP.

Have you tried to connect a windows based laptop to the screen? If so what does that do?

I can't remember exactly what Windows did to be honest. I think in the absence of EDID information it just enabled the standard "works on any virtually anything" resolutions of 800x600 and 1024x768 at 60Hz. Enabling the control panel options for unsupported resolutions made the correct 1366x768 available which worked fine. So simpler than OS X which required a third party tool.
 
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