Why do some people do this? (overtaking related)

The whole point of hanging back....you can see past the car infront.
It is never as obvious as when overtaking a lorry. Behind it, even with a few car lengths, you cannot see anything.
Sit well back and when you can see the road ahead is clear, nail it. You then spend less time in the wrong lane too!
 
I dont think you understand what i meant. It was not overtake slowly, it was get onto the other side of the road and have a full on check before being totally commited. Give me a few minutes and i will scan in the page on overtaking in the official manual for IAM. It has a diagram aswell which may help clear things up.

Yes Dolph, i have not passed my IAM yet but i am getting there, apparently one more hour tuition and i should be ready my observer says. Also my Observer for IAM he use to be an instructor for lorry drivers (can't remember what class) but due to back problems cannot anymore. Now he does about 6-8 people for IAM.

Edit - Also i am not saying don't look as you appreach the car, just sometimes you cannot see everything from that point of view, for example there could be a car/bike directly infront of a lorry which you didnt know about which would increase the distance you need to overtake for.
 
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The other thing that drives me absolutely Nuts! is when your in the fast lane, travelling faster than the traffic in the middle lane, overtaking cars one by one but slowly as your maintaining a relatively safe breaking distance between you and the car in front.

Then you get some nut job tailgating you for a while, then because you've left a gap larger than one cars length between you and the car in front they think its their's for the havin, undertake you and pull in, causing you to jam on, and screwing up the flow of traffic for miles behind.

Its the one thing that brings me closest to road rage :mad:
 
Here we go, this is scanned from the book that the IAM send you when you pay your money to become an IAM member. Its called 'How to be an Advanced Driver' which it is stated to be the 'Official Manual of the Institue of Advanced Motorists.' I tried to make the image size as small as possible for you and still able to read.

 
saitrix said:
I dont think you understand what i meant. It was not overtake slowly, it was get onto the other side of the road and have a full on check before being totally commited. Give me a few minutes and i will scan in the page on overtaking in the official manual for IAM. It has a diagram aswell which may help clear things up.

And I think you're missing what we are saying, the way you originally stated you should overtake is very bad (and certainly not IAM approved). There is nothing wrong (if necessary) with crossing the white line for a better line of sight before you commit, but in general if you have to do that (unless you know the road really well) you're probably thinking of overtaking in a poor position.

You should only put that burst of speed on when you are fully committed to the overtake, that includes knowing that the road ahead is clear, and again, you shouldn't need to cross the white line to see that, and you don't want to be too close to the car in front either.

Given that (unless you're driving very fast accelerating cars) you'll generally need to ensure a decent acceleration run before the overtake, you shouldn't dive out at the start of that run, but accelerate and pull out smoothly when within a reasonable distance of the car, pulling back in as soon as possible (and slowing back down to cruising speed if necessary)

Yes Dolph, i have not passed my IAM yet but i am getting there, apparently one more hour tuition and i should be ready my observer says. Also my Observer for IAM he use to be an instructor for lorry drivers (can't remember what class) but due to back problems cannot anymore. Now he does about 6-8 people for IAM.

To be honest, this is why I prefer the Rospa advanced driving course, it seems to be much more consistant in it's teachings and results. (I've known some very good IAM members, and some absolutely awful ones. Some of the worst drivers I know have taken and passed the IAM test and wear the badge with 'pride')

Edit - Also i am not saying don't look as you appreach the car, just sometimes you cannot see everything from that point of view, for example there could be a car/bike directly infront of a lorry which you didnt know about which would increase the distance you need to overtake for.

But if you can't see where you are going clearly enough to know it's clear, you shouldn't be considering overtaking full stop. It goes back to my view earlier that if you need to do this, you're overtaking in the wrong situation.
 
Dolph said:
But if you can't see where you are going clearly enough to know it's clear, you shouldn't be considering overtaking full stop. It goes back to my view earlier that if you need to do this, you're overtaking in the wrong situation.

Sometimes impossible to completely see everything ahead of you from behind something large like a lorry. The one i can think of is a bike infront of the lorry, you may be able to see the wheels below the lorry, but then again you might not.
 
saitrix said:
Here we go, this is scanned from the book that the IAM send you when you pay your money to become an IAM member. Its called 'How to be an Advanced Driver' which it is stated to be the 'Official Manual of the Institue of Advanced Motorists.' I tried to make the image size as small as possible for you and still able to read.


Ok, now I'm seriously shocked....

I can see it's recommending it :eek:

If you want my honest advice, chuck that book in the nearest bin and pick up a copy of "Roadcraft" (The police driver handbook), as it'll give you a much better grounding in good driving standards....

http://www.roadrage.co.uk/Roadcraft-The-Police-Drivers-Handbook.html

(can also be had from other sites, but this one definitely isn't a competitor)
 
Dolph said:
Ok, now I'm seriously shocked....

I can see it's recommending it :eek:

If you want my honest advice, chuck that book in the nearest bin and pick up a copy of "Roadcraft" (The police driver handbook), as it'll give you a much better grounding in good driving standards....

http://www.roadrage.co.uk/Roadcraft-The-Police-Drivers-Handbook.html

(can also be had from other sites, but this one definitely isn't a competitor)

See what i mean now? This is what i have been given to learn my thoery from for my IAM. I think i will buy that book you recommend though. Thanks. :) Don;t think i will get it til after i pass my IAM though, but once i have i will buy it.
 
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Its because they are trying to prove that they still have the bigger penis by trying to remain infront of you.
 
saitrix said:
I dont think you understand what i meant. It was not overtake slowly, it was get onto the other side of the road and have a full on check before being totally commited.

There is absolutely ZERO need to do this if you assume the correct overtaking position BEFORE you commence your overtake. You will have complete visiability of the road ahead, and can commit yourself when its clear.

If you do what you say, you will pull out at the same speed as the car you are overtaking and, if its clear, then have to accelerate past the car.

This is foolish, dangerous and totally un-neccesary.

Edit: Just read your scan. Staggered. It does not say this in Roadcraft, very suprised it's in the IAM book. I was certainly not taught that way and I don't remember reading that in my edition of the book.

Roadcraft is an excellent book and is certainly something everyone who claims to be serious about driving should have in their library.
 
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saitrix said:
Here we go, this is scanned from the book that the IAM send you when you pay your money to become an IAM member. Its called 'How to be an Advanced Driver' which it is stated to be the 'Official Manual of the Institue of Advanced Motorists.' I tried to make the image size as small as possible for you and still able to read.

Thats odd. What that diagram is showing (ie drive up behind car, pull out, then speed up) looks different from the photos of what the drivers actually doing. (ie stay several car lengths behind, speed up and pull out in a arc, then overtake).
 
Bug One said:
Thats odd. What that diagram is showing (ie drive up behind car, pull out, then speed up) looks different from the photos of what the drivers actually doing. (ie stay several car lengths behind, speed up and pull out in a arc, then overtake).

The accompanying text confirms what Saitrix has been saying the IAM is now recommending...

Beggers belief tbh...
 
I have not accually used the suggest method yet. This is purely due to not having passed anyone since reading that page of my book, i don't really drive any country road often. I will seriously not do it this method aswell due to what has been said in this thread.

How am i supposed to know the correct way if im being taught the wrong things?
 
saitrix said:
i don't really drive any country road often.

WHAT?

You go on about how your next car must be RWD becuase you really find them easier to drive etc then you admit you DONT drive on any country road often? Next you'll be telling me you only took that RWD Sierra around the block :eek:

NO EXCUSE LAD.

Get in your car, now, and go and drive into the country. Come back in 2 hours time and tell us, honestly, that you didn't have a damn good time. Driving is awesome, and country roads are the best. Can't believe you don't take every opportunity to find some :eek:
 
Its not like i drive them every day. :p Only drive them like a few times a week purely to go nowhere but to drive. Maybe my choice of words on that one wasn't the best. ;) But when i drive country road its not busy, or the roads i do are not busy due to their nature (smaller and tighter roads).

You know i would go out for a drive for 2 hours if i didn't have work tonight :( I mostly go for drives when i have cancelled lessons at college.

Edit - Bah your gay Fox. Only got 20 more mins til i have to start making some food and you got me into the driving mood! Thats it, you have forced me to do the long way home from work, i hope your happy... :mad: :p
 
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I had this happen today.. following an old chap plodding along at 40mph in a NSL.. completely clear the other side so indiciate and pull out.. get along side and notice the speed-o is climbing over 60 yet barely pulling past :rolleyes:
 
saitrix said:
The best way is to initiate it by doing 2-3 mph faster then the car and being in the correct passing gear, then go out into the other side of the road, assess the situation (whether any cars coming that you couldnt see). If clear accelerate past and come back in without chopping up the car.


So you pull out into the opposing lane, before taking a look, THEN accelerate?

No, you take a look, accelerate, pull out, accelerate some more, keep on accelerating, reach cars vehicles top speed, arrive at destination.

Recomended by the IAM?
So thats why nobody ever gets a move on, if you are taught by idiots, you are only ever going to have idiots.
 
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