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Why does ATI limit overclocks and Nvidia do not.
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We all have to start somewhere!! The first card I O/C'ed was a 9800XT and I was practically pooping my pants when I was trying to find the limits of my card. For ATI (or partners - whoever decides this) to dictate a safe window would have made me feel much more comfortable with my first taste of overclocking. Once I knew what I was doing it wouldn't have bothered me if they set some sort of safe window, as long as I could over ride it.
Not true, I got a sapphire reference on launch day, the bios is installed by ATI, it's up the AIB to update the bios for cards that are not reference or are pre-overclocked models, reference cards come with the vendor labeled ATI when you check the bios, if the bios has been updated, the vendor in the bios will usually carry the AIB's name. On launch sapphire, powercolor, and the rest have the same bios because it comes directly from ATI. What, you think ATI test the cards with no bios and then send them out for the AIB's to install their own bios, all reference cards have ATI set bios installed. Exception are MSI and Asus who sell their cards with higher clock limits and guess what? their name is in the bios.
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+1 to that, im guessing a lot of people are apprehensive at first about overclocking, personally i think its a good idea to have a maximum in overdrive, stops you being silly and clocking your card too high. best thing is though most of the ATI cards i have ever came across easily got to the 'maximum' with no issues and barely no extra heat. once people develop a taste for overclocking, and wanna push the boundries higher, they simply find ways around the limit. so i think its harsh to critisise ATI for putting a limit of sorts on it, giving their users a bit of extra performance to play with while basically guaranteeing the card won't just explode is a good thing i think!
And its upto the AIB's if they want to change the bios or not to give higher OC on even reference models.
Next you will be moaning about why NV chose green & ATI didnt.
You have for the last few days made issues out of nothing.
A vendor that lets you clock your card by 50Mhz compared to a vendor that lets you clock your card by 200Mhz, seem like a fairly legit issue to me, yes you own an ATI card but that is no reason to jump all over threads that might be critical of your precious card manufacturer.
@ Phoenixdancer
I thought you would have learned your lesson from last time...no?
@ Phoenixdancer
I thought you would have learned your lesson from last time...no?
^^ This is the thing, it's a genuine issue being highlighted yet certain members feel it's their duty to disrupt the thread as much as possible because the subject matter offends them so they try to force a lock, hopefully the mods will see through it.
I don't know why, it would be nice if the CCC limits were a little higher but for a novice its a nice safety net and still allows enough to give a taste and feel like you've got something for free as it were. Enthusiasts will always use a decent third party program to overclock anyway, im guessing the nvidia users are using MSIA and dont overclock with the nvidia control panel anyway?
see below, for people that overclock it can be an issue.
You still don't get it, you can't overclock a 5850/5870 past CCC/bios limits without enabling a hack in MSI afterburner, it's not in the standard software because it is regarded as not being 100% stable, using the hack you will then need to set 2D and 3D profiles in afterburneer if you don't want to run at full speed clocks all the time, doing this can also cause issues with flash playback and can cause BSOD, none of this is required with a Nvidia card.
Might be an issue for people who expect to be able to get an extra free card out of their overclock. I doubt this "issue" actually hinders too many people.
I have lost count the amount of times i have answered anything on here that could have been found using search or google. It would be nice if there was no limit but its not a huge issue, nothing i play has any problems at 1920x1200 at stock anyway so i don't need to oc my card. If i bench i just use msia but i hardly do that these days, prefering just to simply play the game (shocking i know) maybe i'm getting old lol.
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This is actually a forum for a shop called overclockers, not a forum for overclockers
If I were an average buyer buying computer parts from an online shop and had any problems, I'd probably use the forums, though the few problems I have had in the past were handled fine over the telephone (Dead A8N-SLI, Hiper PSU, and 4870).
Every other card that I've had has never had a problem, the 4870 xfire had major problems at stock speeds and wouldnt even overclock by 10 Mhz.
Oh, and a couple of hard drive failures, those are the worst, always have two of those. I have 3 now
Actually, I think that the only card ever made that couldnt even work right at stock speed was the 4870, although having had that myself is why I could never bring myself to buy anything like it again, such as a GTX 480.
I make good, 100% stable overclocked PCs without any problems, only for myself though, not anyone else
But then a part of me dies everytime I hear people complaining about how often their pre build HP or Compac PCs crash all the time, so they had to buy a mac and never had a crash since. Offtopic I say! Very offtopic!
But really, people still buy their computers from PC world and expect them to be good
Now a funny thing is if Joe Bloggs cames up to me and starts talking about getting a new PC, and if I were to say 'Have you tried Overclockers or >generate random competitor name here<., their reply would probably be:
'Who are they? Online shops? That sounds like a scam, I'd never buy a PC online. Surely PC world are better because you can go in and see the PC before buying it, and actually talk to people to make sure its ok' ......
That would surely cause instant brain stem death for me, so its generally a good thing that I avoid talking to Joe bloggs
Ta-Da!!
And for some reason you are supprised? You're not that naive Raven.
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Its not a genuine issue to most though is it. Anyone can take a 5000 card to the core limits if they have the skills. If they don't then maybe you shouldn't try.
I think this thread would probably be better suited on something like the PC Active's forum Raven.
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@ Raz You can't see an issue because you have never had the issue in the first place, so troll elsewhere.
@ jigger, I'm just highlighting the fact you have to go through hoops to overclock an ATI card, not so with Nvidia, is that so hard to comprehend?
@ jigger, I'm just highlighting the fact you have to go through hoops to overclock an ATI card, not so with Nvidia, is that so hard to comprehend?
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