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Why does ATI limit overclocks and Nvidia do not.

bhavv said:
Overclocking on an Nvidia brand that does not support overclocking also voids the warranty, so your point is pointless.

You dont have to bios flash at all if you pick the right card in the first place. And the last I checked, MSI / Asus cards are hardly any more expensive than other brands.
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They're not lol, I have an Asus 5870 V2 now, I've had a crossfire of the 2, I've owned a Sapphire 5870, An Asus 5850 and three 5770's :p

Also, it's easy to revert the BIOS on a dead card, if the BIOS chip is damaged then they can't find out.

I've RMA'ed a Sapphire before which had an Asus BIOS.

Anyways, the MSI "hack" (Because no one's changed a setting in a CFG file before) negates the need for a flash.

kylew said:
You don't have to flash the bios at all, I have a Powercolour 2GB 5870 which is a reference model, and I just have to enable unofficial overclocking in that Afterburner config file. Seems really simple to me, and I don't lose powerplay if I set a fan profile for 2D and 3D in afterburner either.
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Exactly.

Originally we had to flash however.
 
Martini1991 said:
They're not lol, I have an Asus 5870 V2 now, I've had a crossfire of the 2, I've owned a Sapphire 5870, An Asus 5850 and three 5770's :p

Also, it's easy to revert the BIOS on a dead card, if the BIOS chip is damaged then they can't find out.

I've RMA'ed a Sapphire before which had an Asus BIOS.

Anyways, the MSI "hack" (Because no one's changed a setting in a CFG file before) negates the need for a flash.



Exactly.

Originally we had to flash however.
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Oh I understand that, but that's what's making it harder for me to understand what raven's issue is, because he's only taking issue with this now, despite it being a problem quite some time ago. Is it a coincidence that he's only taking issue since he's bought a GTX480?
 
kylew said:
Oh I understand that, but that's what's making it harder for me to understand what raven's issue is, because he's only taking issue with this now, despite it being a problem quite some time ago. Is it a coincidence that he's only taking issue since he's bought a GTX480?
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Well he's gotten on the "ATI make bad drivers" bandwagon also.
I used a 5870 Crossfire and didn't see any real problem with the drivers at all..For the most part scaling for impressive.
 
@ kylew Yes I have an issue now having gone to a 480 and clocking no problem and then when I think back to my 5870 and having to flash my bios to exceed the stingy 50Mhz they gave on a £300 card, it make me think Nvidia are more consumer supportive.

Martini1991 said:
Well he's gotten on the "ATI make bad drivers" bandwagon also.
I used a 5870 Crossfire and didn't see any real problem with the drivers at all..For the most part scaling for impressive.
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Check this thread out, took the ATI driver team five months to fix performance problems in BC2 and AVP, you were saying?

The Bottom Line

The issues holding back performance in these two titles has now been fixed thanks to the new CrossFireX Application Profile. This is what the CAP system was intended for; to provide performance and compatibility updates to CrossFireX without having to wait between driver versions. Unfortunately, it hasn’t quite worked out this way, with CAP updates coming about as frequently as driver updates. It has been months with these CrossFireX performance issues present, and we are only now seeing it get fixed. AMD needs to stay in tune with its customers a bit better in the future, because honestly, these CFX issues were even voiced in AMD's own forums months ago.
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http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/08/26/ati_crossfirex_application_profile_108a_performance
 
RavenXXX2 said:
@ kylew Yes I have an issue now having gone to a 480 and clocking no problem and then when I think back to my 5870 and having to flash my bios to exceed the stingy 50Mhz they gave on a £300 card, it make me think Nvidia are more consumer supportive.




Check this thread out, took the ATI driver team five months to fix performance problems in BC2 and AVP, you were saying?



http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/08/26/ati_crossfirex_application_profile_108a_performance
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And how long for NV to fix Gothic 1 & 2 >

Pot Calling Kettle Black.
 
They were alerted months a go read the article and thread in the forums, and they are two high profile PC games.

@Final8y

Yes very high profile and recent titles right there.
 
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RavenXXX2 said:
@ kylew Yes I have an issue now having gone to a 480 and clocking no problem and then when I think back to my 5870 and having to flash my bios to exceed the stingy 50Mhz they gave on a £300 card, it make me think Nvidia are more consumer supportive.




Check this thread out, took the ATI driver team five months to fix performance problems in BC2 and AVP, you were saying?



http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/08/26/ati_crossfirex_application_profile_108a_performance
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My word, YESTERDAY< it was YESTERDAY you posted in a thread about Nvidia beta drivers fixing stuttering in BC2.

Also, pay attention most AMD users did not have those issues, thats ONE res on 2gb cards only that they've tested, if you look in the AMD thread, you'll see people have the SAME performance in xfire on 10.4b as 10.8 with the new profiles, IE theres been no change, there may/may not have been change with that res with the 2gb cards, with normal cards, you've been able to get the same performance since the game came out.


Which means, AMD didn't have a problem, either its a new problem created in the 10.7 profiles, or its effected one card at one res.

Nvidia has had stuttering issues that are only just now fixed.

So AMD, working since launch with 4 month old drivers, Nvidia, JUST got a beta to fix an issue.
 
one limits under warranty, the other doesnt. simple as that. pretending nvidia is doing more for the consumer (ROFL, what a surprise coming from you raven) is joke.

if i want to overclock, im either going to void my warranty or by the card from a vedor or covers the overclocking which funnily enough is exactly what i did. i couldnt give a stuff what ati or anyone else limit their clocks to - my overclocked asus 5850 is still in warranty :)

@ kylew Yes I have an issue now having gone to a 480 and clocking no problem and then when I think back to my 5870 and having to flash my bios to exceed the stingy 50Mhz they gave on a £300 card, it make me think Nvidia are more consumer supportive.
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should have bought an asus tbh
 
It has been months with these CrossFireX performance issues present, and we are only now seeing it get fixed. AMD needs to stay in tune with its customers a bit better in the future, because honestly, these CFX issues were even voiced in AMD's own forums months ago.
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Regarding stuttering in BC2 that's not been an ongoing issue, certainly not as long as the xfire issues in BC2, nivida had low GPU usage problems after a recent patch from Dice.
 
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