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Why does Custom PC keep knocking ATI?

saguy said:
You cannot read these forums on the toilet or in the bath.
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I can. We have a small shelf in the bathroom thats near both the loo and the bath with no danger of anything dropping into said bath when its full. Laptop and wireless = forums in the bath with a usb mouse and a towel to dry your hand! :p
 
Custom PC is awesome. I read it for entertainment as much as news and reviews. Sitting in-front of a PC burning my eyes out on endless websites doesn't appeal to. Newspapers sell millions, even though the same news is available online. You can't take a website with you on a train or to someone else's house. Plus, a magazine compiles various things that I wouldn't normally read about in one easy-to-read format (i.e. watercooling) and runs features that websites don't do, for example, the History of Motherboards or Dream PC's, etc.
 
AtreuS said:
I can. We have a small shelf in the bathroom thats near both the loo and the bath with no danger of anything dropping into said bath when its full. Laptop and wireless = forums in the bath with a usb mouse and a towel to dry your hand! :p
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I think it's the little things that let the ATi's down.

Last one I had was a Radeon9800pro (ancient history here). It's performance was exceptional in games. However, it's TV output was ghastly (I spent ages trying to flash the bios, convinced it was reporting Pal and doing NTSC, so bad was the colour balance and dot crawl), and it' Linux drivers were such an awful joke that it was this card that first caused me to "split" my PC into 2 separate boxen, a day-to-day dogsbody running linux and a games only winbox.

Also, I got the Rad cheap from my GF cos she couldn't make it play video without locking up her PC (driver issue, easy fixed, but to her, it had sinned and had to go), and when I had finished with it, I donated it to a mate....it finally died in his PC and took quite a few other components with it, he claims.

Nowdays I don't let 'em in the house at all.
 
To be fair, if your a tech forum regular, all PC mags will be out of date by the time they hit the shelves, the online reviewers can have articles up within hours of reciving new hardware, where as a mag may have to wait up to a month before they can get news out.

Reading both forums and buying mags, I quite often read somthing in a mag and think..."hmm i smell BS"

Custom PC is one of the beter mags but still they do make IMHO errors and can be biased. If you really want a laugh, try PCformat, I swear they just make stuff up sometimes.
 
thegoonden said:
I think it's the little things that let the ATi's down.

Last one I had was a Radeon9800pro (ancient history here). It's performance was exceptional in games. However, it's TV output was ghastly (I spent ages trying to flash the bios, convinced it was reporting Pal and doing NTSC, so bad was the colour balance and dot crawl), and it' Linux drivers were such an awful joke that it was this card that first caused me to "split" my PC into 2 separate boxen, a day-to-day dogsbody running linux and a games only winbox.

Also, I got the Rad cheap from my GF cos she couldn't make it play video without locking up her PC (driver issue, easy fixed, but to her, it had sinned and had to go), and when I had finished with it, I donated it to a mate....it finally died in his PC and took quite a few other components with it, he claims.

Nowdays I don't let 'em in the house at all.
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At that time I remember that the picture quality in games was superior. I remember getting a 6800 Ultra which creamed all over the Ati's regarding performance, and being disappointed with picture quality. From what I hear these days is that game and video picture quality is about the same on Ati's and NVIDIAS.
 
Prediction:

Next months Custom PC:

in the section where they recommend all the best hardware;

med range: 8800GT 512 £130: beats the 3870 and its cheaper.

high range: 8800GTX 768 £165: this baby has come down in price, and its what every gamer wants for high res gaming.

extreme graphics: 9800GX2 £350: The best card out there atm. Although we at custom pc arent very good at games ( we are the only magazine that still cant run crysis on 1024*768 above 25fps with the best hardware, we stillthink you should all buy this instead of ATI cards)

Also, you will see that we accept £500 a month from arctic, for putting the arctic freezer pro in our recommended list. We say it isn't loud at all, who cares when people buy it and they find out it is loud, and it is only silent on 50% fan speeds?

Our test systems also have some trouble

our test system : ASUS p5K, E6750, 2gig

THis months test did not fare too well. Our QX9775@ 4.2 gh ( 4x4.2ghz) got a lower score than our [email protected]. in the multitasking test.

Every cpu we have tested has always got a lower score than our E6750 on the multitasking test.

Conclusion E6750 beats all.

( I still read this mag, but I do think a lot of the stuff they say is more "entertaining" than it is actually "good hardware info") I trust this forum more that the Custom PC mag, yest I cant take this forum into the toilet or train :(

also, the above is a joke obv, but if someone can explain the multitask thingy to me, it doesnt make much sense.
 
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Ooo this will save me from having to buy next months custom PC, thanks chrissss :D

chrissss said:
Prediction:

Next months Custom PC:

in the section where they recommend all the best hardware;

med range: 8800GT 512 £130: beats the 3870 and its cheaper.

high range: 8800GTX 768 £165: this baby has come down in price, and its what every gamer wants for high res gaming.

extreme graphics: 9800GX2 £350: The best card out there atm. Although we at custom pc arent very good at games ( we are the only magazine that still cant run crysis on 1024*768 above 25fps with the best hardware, we stillthink you should all buy this instead of ATI cards)

Also, you will see that we accept £500 a month from arctic, for putting the arctic freezer pro in our recommended list. We say it isn't loud at all, who cares when people buy it and they find out it is loud, and it is only silent on 50% fan speeds?

Our test systems also have some trouble

our test system : ASUS p5K, E6750, 2gig

THis months test did not fare too well. Our QX9775@ 4.2 gh ( 4x4.2ghz) got a lower score than our [email protected]. in the multitasking test.

Every cpu we have tested has always got a lower score than our E6750 on the multitasking test.

Conclusion E6750 beats all.

( I still read this mag, but I do think a lot of the stuff they say is more "entertaining" than it is actually "good hardware info") I trust this forum more that the Custom PC mag, yest I cant take this forum into the toilet or train :(

also, the above is a joke obv, but if someone can explain the multitask thingy to me, it doesnt make much sense.
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yeah i was ****** off that they recomened the 256 verison of the 8800GT over the 3870....i donththink that was correct, but i dont look a the reviews, their articles and labtests are good, and random things like the victorian stuff, and a few back, a cabletidying mission
 
the magazine is fun to read. They write it in a way you want to read it, which other PC magazines don't do. they also have a wide selection of hardware covered which is good. Their "how to build a pc for £444 was also very interesting and useful. ( obv that article was sponsored by scan big time....)

the only thing I don;t like too much is that they favour some companies and products unfairly.

They praise the arctic cooler 7 pro like its the God of coolers. they are also pro Nvidia big time, although Nvidia is (imho) a lot better than ATI at the moment. a few years ago during the 9800 dominance, they wer pro ATI, so I don't think they are too biased.

I don't really get their tests, like I said above, no cpu has ever beaten the E6750... unless I am misinformed, or unless the E6750 is the multi task monster.

also if you compare the crysis results from this forum compared to their crysis results, you will see they get about 3 times less.... :S
 
Ham said:
It's also amazing how their 'retailer of the year' award always happens to goto the company who seem to spend the most on advertising with them
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That says it all really. It's no way the best retailer, their delivery service takes forever and isn't at all cheap.

I don't buy it anymore, or pc format, cos of stuff like that and it's waaaaayyyy overpriced. PC format got smaller and more expensive at the same time!

5 quid for a 10 minute read and a load of software that can be downloaded free...............no thanks! :mad:
 
I think all this talk of bias is a load of ******* nonsense to be fair. Oooh, so CPC staff are taking bribes from Nvidia in shady situations and it's all very tense and thrilling. Come on, what is this, Conspiracy Theorists United?

Anyone with half a brain can see that Nvidia are the better option atm, whose gonna buy an ATi 3780X2 over a cheaper 8800GTX? Whose buying 3870's over 9600GT's/8800GT's? If CPC is so biased, then we as enthusiasts must be biased too. The fact that Nvidia supposedly sponsers the magazine has nothing to do with it. What're they gonna do? Cut funding because of a bad review?
 
thegoonden said:
I think it's the little things that let the ATi's down.

Last one I had was a Radeon9800pro (ancient history here). It's performance was exceptional in games. However, it's TV output was ghastly (I spent ages trying to flash the bios, convinced it was reporting Pal and doing NTSC, so bad was the colour balance and dot crawl), and it' Linux drivers were such an awful joke that it was this card that first caused me to "split" my PC into 2 separate boxen, a day-to-day dogsbody running linux and a games only winbox.

Also, I got the Rad cheap from my GF cos she couldn't make it play video without locking up her PC (driver issue, easy fixed, but to her, it had sinned and had to go), and when I had finished with it, I donated it to a mate....it finally died in his PC and took quite a few other components with it, he claims.

Nowdays I don't let 'em in the house at all.
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And you don't think for a sec that maybe after 3 generations they have managed to iron out all those faults??

I had one year subscription for CPC and I remember reading a couple of articles about how they peed off several brands for not promoting their products so at least they are not totally biased. But then it's their mag they can pretty much say anything they want.

Still it's a much better read than PC Format which doesn't put nearly enough emphasis on enthusiasts hardware as CPC does.
 
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Chimerical said:
Anyone with half a brain can see that Nvidia are the better option atm, whose gonna buy an ATi 3780X2 over a cheaper 8800GTX? Whose buying 3870's over 9600GT's/8800GT's? If CPC is so biased, then we as enthusiasts must be biased too. The fact that Nvidia supposedly sponsers the magazine has nothing to do with it. What're they gonna do? Cut funding because of a bad review?
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Although this won't happen, it has happened in the past, where EQ withdrew their intire funding if the website would not fire the writers of the review. 2 days later the writer got fired. Don't underestimate the power of funding.

Having said that, like I said before, Custom PC was pro AMD for ages, and now they are pro intel ( which is normal, C2D are amazing) same goes for AMD/NVIDIA, atm NVidia is just way better than ATI.

About scan being bad, well you can't really discuss that, because all pro scan arguments will be removed here, which is why there is no point.
 
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