Why does every phone other than the iPhone come with android?

mrk said:
You use Google services, you've already submitted your target information to Google. Doesn't matter if you have an app installed or not. Unless you do everything on a Google service behind an incognito mode or something similar. Which I very much doubt.
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I don’t use google anything. Why would I?
 
It really does wind me up when i see know nothings moan about being tracked or there data being hoovered up.
Within reason i have no problem with it as i know how much it is to develop and maintain the services we use. That said there has been plenty of times personal data has been used poorly and at such times those responsible need to be hammered to the wall.

However look at some of these services? how many do you use?

Google search? Every day, dozens or hundreds for some - how much does this cost to run? An utter utter fortune.
What about maps? google maps or street view is amazing - but how much did it cost to develope the software and then send out thousands of cars photographing everything.. constantly? what about the fly overs they use or the satellite imagery?? thats surely pennies to buy from governments and companies with satellites after all they dont cost much to send up do they??? ohh ? HOW MUCH? :rolleyes::o:o jesus
Facebook... ok a lot of folk use facebook and they always complain about how there data is being used. So stop it FB, stop selling our information.
Whats that? surely it costs only a few hundred pounds a year for a computer in a rack to store all the FB users profiles, sort them all and process the queries? Er say what? how much does a data centre cost??? PARDON?? and how many of those do yo..... ohhh my god that many??? And then the fibre between then costs HOW ***** much??????? bloody hell (passes out)

Ahh but windows 10, there is a *******. It spys on you and microsoft are scum. Get half a dozen uni graduates to code the next windows... cheep as chips. Whats that about it being the most complex code base in the world? Ever? or that it works on just about everything you put it on. Naa half a dozen grads will do it, these folk wen to to Uni so they are clever... Er... say what? we are being taken to court because everyones applications keep crashing killing businesses, and folk keep pinching other folks data because its not been secured right cos the grad's didnt think to make it difficult to hack? ohh ****... will i go to jail for this? no? good, just shot then.

Not... got... a... clue.

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sideways14a said:
It really does wind me up when i see know nothings moan about being tracked or there data being hoovered up.
Within reason i have no problem with it as i know how much it is to develop and maintain the services we use. That said there has been plenty of times personal data has been used poorly and at such times those responsible need to be hammered to the wall.

However look at some of these services? how many do you use?

Google search? Every day, dozens or hundreds for some - how much does this cost to run? An utter utter fortune.
What about maps? google maps or street view is amazing - but how much did it cost to develope the software and then send out thousands of cars photographing everything.. constantly? what about the fly overs they use or the satellite imagery?? thats surely pennies to buy from governments and companies with satellites after all they dont cost much to send up do they??? ohh ? HOW MUCH? :rolleyes::o:o jesus
Facebook... ok a lot of folk use facebook and they always complain about how there data is being used. So stop it FB, stop selling our information.
Whats that? surely it costs only a few hundred pounds a year for a computer in a rack to store all the FB users profiles, sort them all and process the queries? Er say what? how much does a data centre cost??? PARDON?? and how many of those do yo..... ohhh my god that many??? And then the fibre between then costs HOW ***** much??????? bloody hell (passes out)

Ahh but windows 10, there is a *******. It spys on you and microsoft are scum. Get half a dozen uni graduates to code the next windows... cheep as chips. Whats that about it being the most complex code base in the world? Ever? or that it works on just about everything you put it on. Naa half a dozen grads will do it, these folk wen to to Uni so they are clever... Er... say what? we are being taken to court because everyones applications keep crashing killing businesses, and folk keep pinching other folks data because its not been secured right cos the grad's didnt think to make it difficult to hack? ohh ****... will i go to jail for this? no? good, just shot then.

Not... got... a... clue.

:rolleyes:
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The solution to the problem is to just charge for the service.

Stop the whole targeting advertising and attention seeking and just switch to a model where you charge a fee for your service and you incorporate a profit margin into that.

simples.
 
So you want to charge for a service just because you dont like the way we are currently being charged for the service.

Ok.
Do you really think we would have all the advanced internet and hardware services we now have by simply having to pay good money for them?
Not a flipping chance in hell dude. Absolutely zero, nothing nada... not a chance.

Services such as google search, FB and such require utterly enormous amounts of money to pay for and develop. Even if you did just magic them all out of nowhere for nothing paying for there maintenance every time they are used would kill them on in no time.
Lets say each google search cost the same as a text message eh? Make it say 5p (no free ones or subsidising by the carrier to complicate things)

Now i do.. i dunno hard to say at the moment because i have been off work but 30-40 searches per day sounds reasonable... for me. At work that could double.
So a couple of quid a day on just searching, i aint likely going to pay that. Its not much but just to quickly find out what the weather is or a new catch up.. sod that.

What about FB? Lets say it cost the same as netflix, so i dunno 10 quid a month. Will i find almost everyone i know on FB if they have to shell out a tenner a month for it. Not a bloody chance, no one would.
Maps? Well you can buy GPS nav systems and mapping but its not cheep especially for new cars. But lets say google charged £19.99 a month for it? sounds like a decent prices compared to the other commercial providers. 20 quid is not an insignificant amount for something though and after adding up all the searches you do, the FB you never use cos no buggers on it and the rest of the services you might use per month... ohh look its loads.

So why dont you just not use any google, apple, microsoft, amazon or facebook stuff and then see how good your online experience is.
And i mean none, no free hotmail or gmail or apple email, no searches (bing either, or those other search engines like duck duck go) - no buying stuff online from amazon, dont use paypal ohh no... ect..

Just try it, personally i can live with personal information being used as money and i get to use fantastic services for it.
If you dont then dont use them.
 
mrochester said:
surely that’s better than being an even bigger sheep and buying an android phone?

It’s a bizarre world where this zealot like drive for ‘open source’ has come at the expense of completely destroying competition.
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Everyone I have ever asked that owns a iPhone:

Me Q: Why do you have an iPhone?

Them A: Everyone has one/all my friends have one!

Now I am not saying that is ever single users outlook but of the one I asked specifically of all ages and backgrounds it was.

I bought an Android of my own back not others and I can basically do far more with it since its not locked down to Apple's Ecosystem and I mean without Jailbreaking or Rooting.
 
mrochester said:
Well the only way to affect change is to vote with your wallet...

Or rely on regulation to generate competition.

If people aren’t prepared to vote with their wallets, it may require regulation to generate competition.
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No, people already voted with their wallets, that is why other mobile OSes died.

The majority are happy or don't really care, but because you have a bug up your butt about it, suddenly the government should start regulating things? Ego much? :p
 
b00merang69 said:
I bought an Android of my own back not others and I can basically do far more with it since its not locked down to Apple's Ecosystem and I mean without Jailbreaking or Rooting.
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What do you do with it once you've moved the icons around, swapped a few themes and added some widgets to the home screen? I ask this in all seriousness - I have had both Android and iOS devices and once I've had a bit of a fiddle around, then the focus becomes the apps I use. At which point, the OS is kind of irrelevant.
 
mrochester said:
Well the only option if you don’t like android is to use iOS.

Why isn’t the world crying out for competition in this space? Why does the tech world seem resigned to accept monopolistic dominance?
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Because if everyone wants everything to just work seamless we need the type of monopoly we have.

Otherwise you get fragmented stuff that's half baked and has no support
 
b00merang69 said:
Everyone I have ever asked that owns a iPhone:

Me Q: Why do you have an iPhone?

Them A: Everyone has one/all my friends have one!
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and don't forget the classic "They just work" :)

Me: So show me how they just work
Fanboy: Well when I hit this icon my email comes up
Me: When I hit this icon my email comes up
Fanboy: When I hit this icon my text app comes up
Me: And when I hit this icon my text app comes up
and so on ...................................

krooton said:
No, people already voted with their wallets, that is why other mobile OSes died.

The majority are happy or don't really care, but because you have a bug up your butt about it, suddenly the government should start regulating things? Ego much? :p
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but he doesn't want iOS to be regulated which is really strange. he only wants the Government to have a go at Android :)
 
SexyGreyFox said:
and don't forget the classic "They just work" :)

Me: So show me how they just work
Fanboy: Well when I hit this icon my email comes up
Me: When I hit this icon my email comes up
Fanboy: When I hit this icon my text app comes up
Me: And when I hit this icon my text app comes up
and so on ...................................
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Whilst my wife is annoyed her iPhone doesn't have file explorer, so she can't just copy anime episodes to her phone, we have to copy them to a Dropbox on her laptop, then connect her vlc player to the Dropbox app, and download them that way.

I open es explorer, copy, paste, done.
 
krooton said:
Whilst my wife is annoyed her iPhone doesn't have file explorer, so she can't just copy anime episodes to her phone, we have to copy them to a Dropbox on her laptop, then connect her vlc player to the Dropbox app, and download them that way.

I open es explorer, copy, paste, done.
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I use a marvellous app called wifi file transfer pro which gives you an address for your PC browser and I just drag and drop my files that way.
 
Not surprised, posters as dumb as a fence-post - prob stuck trying to work out how to do anything on the internet without using all the hated companies and applications.
 
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