Why does the UK hate cyclists?

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That barely works for cars, and now you want to extend it to bicycles? I’m sorry officer, I can’t confirn who was riding my bicycle at the time of that incident.


Cycle lanes don’t stop close passes, far from it. Cycle paths are generally cut into existing roads, so they cut down on the actual space for cars, so then drivers have less space but expect cyclists to squeeze into a lane barely a meter wide. We’d all be safer if those sort of useless lanes didn’t exist and drivers just gave more room on the actual carriageways. Crap cycle lanes like that just give crap motorists a stick to beat cyclists with.

Around me most of them are off the road though, the ones that aren't are shared paths. Some are pretty wide too.
 
Ok then - the answer is you don't catch them.

But it doesn't matter because, as myself and vonhelmet have stated many times in this thread, the cost-benefit ratio analysis means that it doesn't make sense to implement registration for cyclists.

It doesn't make sense to do many things from a cost point of view (HS2 being a glowing example) but theyre still worth doing. We're seeing an increase in the number of regular cyclists, at some point that ratio is going to turn. Why wait until it's too late? Set up a scheme earlier doors and it's in place when it's needed.
 
They're a vulnerable road user. It's why you need to identify them when doing the hazard perception segment of a driving test.
The trouble with interpreting every other road user as a “hazard” is you quickly end up sounding like Hyacinth Bucket in the passenger seat with a Richard. I’m wary and mindful of all other road users, but I’m not sure I’d see everyone as literally being a hazard. That’s something of a semantic argument, though.
 
It doesn't make sense to do many things from a cost point of view (HS2 being a glowing example) but theyre still worth doing. We're seeing an increase in the number of regular cyclists, at some point that ratio is going to turn. Why wait until it's too late? Set up a scheme earlier doors and it's in place when it's needed.

The Dutch don't have registration for cyclists and thier cycle usage is many times ours. It's working out ok for them.

Proper infrastructure will remove a lot of the conflict that your argument for registration aims to resolve. Far better to spend the money on that infrastructure than some silly Dialy Mail wet dream of registration for cyclists.

All the evidence points to registration not being worth it, which you seem to be ignoring, and the only place where mass registration is working (Honolulu, 300k bikes), registration isn't implemented the way you want and does nothing to solve "culpability" as it's just a sticker or tiny tag, not a registration plate that can be read from a car (can you not see how ridiculous a registration plate on a bike sounds?). It's major benefit is to aid the police in investigating bike theft.
 
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The trouble with interpreting every other road user as a “hazard” is you quickly end up sounding like Hyacinth Bucket in the passenger seat with a Richard. I’m wary and mindful of all other road users, but I’m not sure I’d see everyone as literally being a hazard. That’s something of a semantic argument, though.

Not every other road user (actually...it certainly pays to be alert around far too many) but as you'll be aware sometimes you'll have to suddenly swerve to avoid a pothole or manhole, or you'll get caught by a gust of wind and swerve in to the path of a car. It's certainly happened to me before. Sadly too few drivers anticipate to those risks a cyclist can face that don't affect car users.
 
It doesn't make sense to do many things from a cost point of view (HS2 being a glowing example) but theyre still worth doing. We're seeing an increase in the number of regular cyclists, at some point that ratio is going to turn. Why wait until it's too late? Set up a scheme earlier doors and it's in place when it's needed.
Does any country in the world implement any kind of bike registration? I think some mandate third party insurance, but to be honest I’m not against that. I have insurance through British cycling for my protection and that of anyone I might hypothetically hit.
 
The Dutch don't have registration for cyclists and thier cycle usage is many times ours. It's working our ok for them.

Proper infrastructure will remove a lot of the conflict that your argument for registration aims to resolve. Far better to spend the money on that infrastructure than some silly Dialy Mail wet dream of registration for cyclists.

The issue is though we're not dutch. We're a fundamentally different culture as is evident from our attitudes to things like alcohol and sex. One solution doesn't fit all.
 
Not every other road user (actually...it certainly pays to be alert around far too many) but as you'll be aware sometimes you'll have to suddenly swerve to avoid a pothole or manhole, or you'll get caught by a gust of wind and swerve in to the path of a car. It's certainly happened to me before. Sadly too few drivers anticipate to those risks a cyclist can face that don't affect car users.
There’s care law somewhere that says drivers should anticipate cyclists “wobbling”, I think is the phrase that is used.
 
Does any country in the world implement any kind of bike registration? I think some mandate third party insurance, but to be honest I’m not against that. I have insurance through British cycling for my protection and that of anyone I might hypothetically hit.

Honestly don't know. Do you think a cycling competency test has any negative to it other than cost? I certainly csnt think of one yet cam see plenty if positives!
 
The issue is though we're not dutch. We're a fundamentally different culture as is evident from our attitudes to things like alcohol and sex. One solution doesn't fit all.

Also theres a lot less traffic over there. Because it's not overcrowded like the UK. Some of our cities have reached the point of ridiculousness for traffic.
 
There’s care law somewhere that says drivers should anticipate cyclists “wobbling”, I think is the phrase that is used.

Wobbling. Lol. Shows how completely inept our rules and regs are regarding cyclists really doesn't it?
 

Like this guy :D

And therein illustrates my point about cyclists not causing any demonstrable damage - he even gets up and walks away. What purpose would insurance have served in this instance?

I did laugh though - what and idiot :-)
 
Wobbling. Lol. Shows how completely inept our rules and regs are regarding cyclists really doesn't it?
Yes, when it comes to that. We’re getting somewhere with notions of minimum passing distance for cars but that’s about as hard to enforce as... registration for cyclists, I reckon.
 
And therein illustrates my point about cyclists not causing any demonstrable damage - he even gets up and walks away. What purpose would insurance have served in this instance?

I did laugh though - what and idiot :)

If it was a car, you'd expect quite a bit of damage to the side panels. Probably would have hurt him a lot more though as he wouldn't be hitting a flat surface.
 
Honestly don't know. Do you think a cycling competency test has any negative to it other than cost? I certainly csnt think of one yet cam see plenty if positives!
No, can’t really argue with that either. The problem is we see cycling and bikes as something for children, like a toy. We never take it seriously, hence people have atrocious attitudes to grown ups using the roads on bikes. Not taking it seriously means you can’t do anything sensible with it because the whole thing is just seen as an inherently stupid business. Any self respecting grown up would be in a car, right? You can’t hold that attitude and then try to institute any sensible behaviour on the roads, be that in terms of educating either cyclists or drivers.
 
Also theres a lot less traffic over there. Because it's not overcrowded like the UK. Some of our cities have reached the point of ridiculousness for traffic.

Their population density is higher than the UK (1.5 times). Amsterdam has a population density of 4500 versus only 1500 for London. So why do you think there is less traffic, even though they have a higher population density nationally and at city level.

Go on. Think about it.
 
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