Why don't non-EPL clubs want English players?
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Scott somebody is at Young Boys isn't he? Played against Tottenham this year. Owen Hargreaves was at Munich for a while too wasn't he? Arsenal have recently signed an English kid from the Barca youth acadamy. Jon Toral I think his name is.
I think the issue is more that established players won't go abroad. Partly because no one will pay the inflated transfer fees, the players lack the technical ability* and it may harm the chances for appearing at national level.
*Gareth Southgate is trying to rectify this with banning full size pitches until u13 and having more small five asides.
I think the issue is more that established players won't go abroad. Partly because no one will pay the inflated transfer fees, the players lack the technical ability* and it may harm the chances for appearing at national level.
*Gareth Southgate is trying to rectify this with banning full size pitches until u13 and having more small five asides.
Gazza, Platt, Ince...
[edit]Bah, beaten like a ginger stepchild
Barca have recently signed an u16 player from the Leeds academy.
Fowler was in Oz
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Becuase they're overpriced....
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Because other leagues rely on technical skill and passing, not brute force football. Scholes could have made it in Spain or Italy like a pirlo or xavi.
Fletcher? Ahahagah. sorry Ahahagah.
look at the world cup Algeria were in danger of making our team worth on paper hundreds of millions look like a bunch of clowns. never forget that.
Fletcher? Ahahagah. sorry Ahahagah.
look at the world cup Algeria were in danger of making our team worth on paper hundreds of millions look like a bunch of clowns. never forget that.
Nor will I, being categorically outplayed and outclassed by Algeria and Slovenia was deeply humbling and really hit home the true scale of the problem here. Every one of their players could play football and .. pass, why can't any of ours
. Deeply worrying.
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We only win games cos we have a few big hitter like lamps or Beckham free kicks or Rodney. not because we are a great team- but because we can pick off smaller nations with our big guns.
Gazza, Platt, Hoddle. Pennant, Jennings, Samways, Vassell, Kazim-Richards thre are also quite a lot of English players in the Asian, Australian and Saudian leagues.
But the top players generally have no reason to leave. Added to the fact English people are considered bad travellers ie struggle with langauges and customs.
What about Hughes (ok He's welsh but we shouldnt count that against him )
Wages is probably the reason - and as pointed out continental kids can develop earlier , which is probably the cause of all this **** about big EPL clubs "stealing" from youth setups abroad all the talent for very little compensation
)Wages is probably the reason - and as pointed out continental kids can develop earlier , which is probably the cause of all this **** about big EPL clubs "stealing" from youth setups abroad all the talent for very little compensation
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why are english players overpriced?
is it due to rules where english clubs have to have english players, and there is so few decent english players, therefore demand > supply?
if that was the case, and i was an english club, i would just pay 4 random english guys £50 a week to be in the team, and spend the rest on decent foreigners.
is it due to rules where english clubs have to have english players, and there is so few decent english players, therefore demand > supply?
if that was the case, and i was an english club, i would just pay 4 random english guys £50 a week to be in the team, and spend the rest on decent foreigners.
Well yes there is a rule that your squad can have max 17 'foreigners' i.e. players over a certain age that haven't trained for at least 3 years in England. However the premium for English players is more than that, I think it is becaue there is less risk involved, you buy a Jordan Henderson or an Andy Carroll that they are settled in England and that they can handle playing in the Premiership. Whereas a Juan Sebastian Veron or an Andriy Shevchenko is more of a risk.
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plenty of players have moved to the UK and stayed here for years, but i do understand how some of them may not want to leave "home" so to speak, but their career lasts what 10 years, its not as if its a permanent move away, but some prefer being in their home country, probably the reason why Ronaldhino is now back in Brazil
i think supply and demand has more to do with it than unsettled players, you offer the player a contract, he can refuse, therefore they know before hand where they can move to. take Pastore for example, he picked PSG over Chelsea, Paris over London. Players have a choice in the matter and can refuse to go to a certain place if they dont want to live there.
The point I'm making is more from the clubs perspective than the players perspective.
If you buy an English player from a Premiership club, by definition he knows the culture, knows the country, knows the league, knows the language (Jon Moncur aside) etc. If you buy a foreign player, you don't know how they will adapt to the culture/country/league/language. Plenty of them may settle but there is still a risk involved, take Reyes for example, looked like a very typical Wenger Boy.... quick, tricky forward etc, decent record in Spain, came over to England and hated it.
Take Liverpool for example, to understand Kenny Dalglish's instructions, unless you are British you've got next to no chance. Now obviously that's not a major factor in how players perform on the pitch, but it all adds up. English players will always cost more than a foreigner of the same ability when being bought by an English club. And because a lot of the money is in England these days, that drives up the price a bit - when selling English players, a foreign club may only value him at £10m and £50k/week but an English club will pay more, so they stay here.
If you buy an English player from a Premiership club, by definition he knows the culture, knows the country, knows the league, knows the language (Jon Moncur aside) etc. If you buy a foreign player, you don't know how they will adapt to the culture/country/league/language. Plenty of them may settle but there is still a risk involved, take Reyes for example, looked like a very typical Wenger Boy.... quick, tricky forward etc, decent record in Spain, came over to England and hated it.
Take Liverpool for example, to understand Kenny Dalglish's instructions, unless you are British you've got next to no chance. Now obviously that's not a major factor in how players perform on the pitch, but it all adds up. English players will always cost more than a foreigner of the same ability when being bought by an English club. And because a lot of the money is in England these days, that drives up the price a bit - when selling English players, a foreign club may only value him at £10m and £50k/week but an English club will pay more, so they stay here.
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