Why is the UK not religious anymore?
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Here's the article that got me thinking on this subject, from the Torygraph (probably heretical satanic lies though).
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100177038/a-decade-after-steven-pinkers-the-blank-slate-why-is-human-nature-still-taboo/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100177038/a-decade-after-steven-pinkers-the-blank-slate-why-is-human-nature-still-taboo/
There is no such thing as devolution, except in some political contexts.
Even if you argue that humans are getting worse, that's still evolution. Evolution has no plan and no goal. It isn't a process of continuous improvement. It's simply a process of changes in response to circumstances.
I think that humans are evolving very little if at all because our technology and civilisation is advanced enough to almost remove natural selection but not advanced enough to allow human selection (i.e. genetic engineering of humans in a reasonable way). Besides, on an evolutionary scale humans haven't been around very long anyway.
Kwerk's post is babble, but the thread title is a rational question so I'll give my answer to it - religion is less common in the UK because fewer people are indoctrinated into it.
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Here's the UK hierarchy of evil from least evil to most evil:
- Rich people who aren't famous (they should pay their fair share!).
- Terrorists (bless em they're just misunderstood).
- Sexists (sometimes its funny).
- Homophobes (sometimes it's funny).
- Christians (except non-white ones who don't know any better - Christianity is just another horrific legacy of colonialism).
- Anyone who isn't completely liberal and worship the state and equality (HEATHENS!).
- Pedophiles (completely acceptable if it's attached to a third world culture though).
- Guns, pictures of guns, empty shell casings, thoughts about guns.
- Racists.
- Animal abusers (animals are people too! In fact they're better than people).
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Thats a much longer list than the American version I just made up on the spot:
1. Ayrabs (anyone who has dark brown skin and/or wears a turban, as perfectly demonstrated by a mad vigilante who attacked a load of Sikhs cos dey look like dem der 11/9 people)
2. The Gays (Cos its in dat der biiible)
3. Athiests (If you dont love Jesus, how can you love America??)
4. People who try to take away our automatic weapons an such (Its my constitutional right to carry this lethal weapon while I take my daughter to nursery! Its to protect me from all the other people exercising their constitutional right to carry the same guns everywhere all the time. Oh and bears)
Just to clarify I could make this much, much longer if I cared enough to make a point in this ridiculous thread.
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Religion was something for people to find solace in. Now the average human moron can follow the latest celebrity and what's cool instead.
Nowadays it's all about individualism, screw God, I'm more important, and that's why I broadcast everything I do 24/7 on Facebook/Twitter because I am the most important person in the world.
/rant
****ing hate this culture atm.
Nowadays it's all about individualism, screw God, I'm more important, and that's why I broadcast everything I do 24/7 on Facebook/Twitter because I am the most important person in the world.
/rant
****ing hate this culture atm.
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I think while some of religion seems far fetched at the end of the day it teaches people to be good.
That is quite the generalisation you're making there. People are self-centred or not self-centred regardless of how religious they are. I'm as atheist as they come, and I keep myself to myself. I don't even have a FB or Twitter account, and I couldn't care less about celebrity news.
You're trolling, right? Religion teaches people that those who disagree with them are infidels and that those infidels are to be shunned, mocked or even killed.
Take a look at the first few of the 10 commandments: "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me". What the hell does that have to do with being a good person? "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth". Apparently drawing supernatural things is evil. "Honour thy father and thy mother". What, even if they're actually terrible people?
Some of them are good, like "thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not murder", etc, but those were obvious to begin with. People never needed those carved in stone because the vast majority weren't doing those things anyway.
Religion is nothing more than a bunch of lies really. It means well, as at the time the commandments or whatever were made those would have been very important morals (respecting your parents etc). However religion does not dictate the morals of a period, and nor are the morals of any given period right or wrong.
Morality is entirely a human construct. There is no right or wrong. At one time it'd have been undoubtedly right/fine to have sex with 12 year olds. At one time murder for crime was absolutely right. At one time it was a terrible sin to speak out against religion. The list goes on for a long time.
With todays set of morals, those all look like they should not be a part of societies morals. But think for a second. Having sex with 12 year olds being a prime example. Why is it wrong in todays society? It's been cast out as a terrible thing to do, unspeakably bad, but when you think about why it is nothing more than our understanding of human genetics. 12 years olds aren't ready for it. Same goes for sex with cousins or family members. There was once nothing wrong with screwing your cousin, yet put some research onto its effects and suddenly it's revolting. Morality is just a general set of ideas held by a general set of people at a particular time.
What religion does wrong is it tries to stop the 'evolution' if you will, of moral values. It tries so hard to keep us in the past. I see it as some hope that moral values are changing, and religion is being forced to change its values. Gay marriages etc are a prime example. I don't care much for it, however the fact that the church is changing gods rule on it in order to survive is progress, as it means society can push religion to what it wants it to be.
Hopefully this will continue in many areas until religion is unrecognisable and slowly fades out of existence.
Morality is entirely a human construct. There is no right or wrong. At one time it'd have been undoubtedly right/fine to have sex with 12 year olds. At one time murder for crime was absolutely right. At one time it was a terrible sin to speak out against religion. The list goes on for a long time.
With todays set of morals, those all look like they should not be a part of societies morals. But think for a second. Having sex with 12 year olds being a prime example. Why is it wrong in todays society? It's been cast out as a terrible thing to do, unspeakably bad, but when you think about why it is nothing more than our understanding of human genetics. 12 years olds aren't ready for it. Same goes for sex with cousins or family members. There was once nothing wrong with screwing your cousin, yet put some research onto its effects and suddenly it's revolting. Morality is just a general set of ideas held by a general set of people at a particular time.
What religion does wrong is it tries to stop the 'evolution' if you will, of moral values. It tries so hard to keep us in the past. I see it as some hope that moral values are changing, and religion is being forced to change its values. Gay marriages etc are a prime example. I don't care much for it, however the fact that the church is changing gods rule on it in order to survive is progress, as it means society can push religion to what it wants it to be.
Hopefully this will continue in many areas until religion is unrecognisable and slowly fades out of existence.
"secular religion of Equality" you lost me here....
How is equality in anyway religious?
Religion is just used as a justification for hating on certain groups of people.
e.g. "I hate gays, why? Cause it says so in the bible!!!!"
How is equality in anyway religious?
Religion is just used as a justification for hating on certain groups of people.
e.g. "I hate gays, why? Cause it says so in the bible!!!!"
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I'd rather be the moron who rejects religion than the moron who embraces it.
how are paedophiles (check your spelling) less worse than racists? and only one step beyond conservatives?
was going to comment on your first post and thought people were being a bit harsh with the whole lolkwerk but then you post this....
so....
lolkwerk
Who cares, Islam will always be the WORLD's number one fastest growing religion, even in Britain. Shame you let your religion slip
Depends on how you define fastest. Article I saw a while back said that in % terms the fastest growing religion was Wicca. In the UK the fastest growing religious affiliation is probably "No religion".
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Christian Evangelism seems to have the edge at the moment...even over 'no religion' as the fastest growing portion of British Society. That doesn't mean that it is particularly large or will become particularly large, just that it is increasing quicker.
Personally the whole debate is pointless as people will define their spirituality in any number of ways, religious or otherwise and not necessarily in relation to a recognisable religious affliation. The OP has tried to create a fallacy that secularism is a new-world religious movement, and then expanded on that by insinuating that modern celebrity culture is somehow a form of 'replacement' worship, not to mention his 'list of evil'....
All intentionally designed to create a thread full of pseudo-religious and rhetorical blather and outrage over a range of contentious subject matter, so he can sit back and giggle at the responses and hoohaa he creates.
Lolkwerk is not as daft as people seem to think he is.
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Was going to type a big rant about why its horribly horribly wrong to say racism is worse than pedophilia, or how you think abusing animals is worse than abusing children, but it's easier to just sum it up with the following;
lolkwerk