Perhaps they're two different kinds of multiplayer but they're the two that come to mind when i think about classic multiplier on pc and console, it feels like it's been quite a few years since we've seen either a fast paced classic multiplayer like quake or silly but good fun one like timesplitters, i know there's stuff like tf2 and serious sam but they're different and neither of them appeal to me in the same way as quake 3/elite force or timesplitters/goldeneye did, what's going on?