Why is VAT accepted?

benefits should be scrapped.

all military forces (navy, army, special forces, raf, sas) should be shut down - why bother wasting hundreds of billions every year on this when we dont need it, america would help us in any situation that occured

prisons should be de-nationalised - would create jobs and new companies, would stop tax being spent on people who dont deserve it, would also mean that prisoners serve their full terms and stop judges from letting criminals going free because theres no space for them

all politicians should have set wages, the people running the country should know what it feels like to be on a normal average wage.

all the extra money should be pumped into schools, nhs, emergency services, repairing roads, creating new super highways to prevent road traffic, creating jobs, etc.
 
benefits should be scrapped.

all military forces (navy, army, special forces, raf, sas) should be shut down - why bother wasting hundreds of billions every year on this when we dont need it, america would help us in any situation that occured

prisons should be de-nationalised - would create jobs and new companies, would stop tax being spent on people who dont deserve it, would also mean that prisoners serve their full terms and stop judges from letting criminals going free because theres no space for them

all politicians should have set wages, the people running the country should know what it feels like to be on a normal average wage.

all the extra money should be pumped into schools, nhs, emergency services, repairing roads, creating new super highways to prevent road traffic, creating jobs, etc.

You forgot the :p
 
Several things people seem to not have mentioned, firstly we have smaller tax% and we tax lots of things, because it makes people feel better than having their wage being they only thing taxed, having it taxed directly at 60% and everyone feeling that working is pointless and not for themselves.

Secondly, the uk has far less industry, manufacturing and in general, real jobs than the USA. A HUGE amount of our ever increasing tax spending is going on new completely unneeded jobs in public sectors that are created to essentially do three things, hide the unemployment numbers, and hide how bad the economy is and keep the economy house of cards going by constantly recirculating the same money, money is earned, taxed, given to extra public workers, which is then taxed, and spent again and again in an ever increasing loop.

Without the extra jobs, we'd have several million more unemployed people that we currently have all needing handouts to afford things like food and shelter and we'd be being taxed directly for helping those people, this simply looks better for the government.

Neither can you really compare the situations in the USA or Japan, Japan has a heavily heavily concentrated population on a tiny landmass, so you save money by having one bigger hospital cover the same amount of people that two hopsitals in the Uk would need over a much larger area, each needing to offer basic services with a large catchment area with relatively few people in, in other words theres a HUGE amount of waste due to the lack of concentration.

Almost the opposite is true of America, but being that the place is huge, they have far more GDP and population they swing the other way, they can buy supplies for building roads in bigger bulk for better prices, they have a huge country with not infinate, but plentiful cheap natural resources while the UK ships in so much stuff it needs. America is a manufacturing powerhouse while the UK doesn't create any of the stuff it uses, be it in the NHS or anywhere else. For instance say syringes, maybe we import them from japan and they make the profit, while america's so big they have a company there that makes them, sells them cheap to the USA and makes profit selling them to other countries.

We're somewhat caught in the middle, also bear in mind that purely because the NHS is free, we get FAR to many people that go in just for a cold and beg for antibiotics, which are subsidised by our government. While in America you'll get lots of people both rich and poor as even rich people with good private insurance as with any insurance, premiums increase the more claims you make, when they have a cold due to the costs involved they'll stick it out so hugely less waste.

A different but same end result occurs in Japan, they aren't all fat unhealthy slobs, they have a far healthier population by and large who eat better and have less problems with their health throughout life. That means, less colds, less heart disease, less this that and the other, which means a hugely smaller burden on their health services, less people going on, meaning less demand at any one time, less wastage etc, etc.

The very nature of our "free" NHS puts it under more pressure than anywhere else in the world. This is why a free NHS actually isn't very good, when somethings free people use it without a seconds thought and waste lots and lots of time and money in doing so. If they added even a slight fee, like a £50 charge for every initial GP's visit, a Huge number of people with simply colds will wait an extra 2 days rather than pay and find they are better. Considering people with colds is the biggest load on local GP's ,it would save the country millions, and millions and millions.
 
Why would tax have to be paid elsewhere? Cut out the 40bn a year that is spend on the benefits system ... and you can scrap road tax (which generates 40bn a year), or you cut down the VAT rate instead on certain goods.
USA manages just fine with low (or none) sales tax rates
This doesn't go far enough, shoot poor people and build poor people fired power stations. No befits system, cheep electricity. Everyone's a winner.
 
Personally I have always thought we should have no PAYE tax and VAT should be increased or certain items. This would have the added bonus of abolishing most of the Inland Revenue and saving millions per year as well.

This way if you are poor or on low wages, you will have no tax at source and basic items such as non luxury food would have no tax either. If you wanted to buy a luxury item and could afford it then that's your choice and you would pay tax.

To balance the books make luxury (ie un necessary but desirable items) have 50 -100% VAT on them (whatever figure is needed to balance the books).

This way it would encourage some people to save and if you didn't buy luxury items then you would hardly be paying any tax whatsoever. The other plus side is that if you are a big consumer then you would pay lots of tax.

I may not have put this across too well but hopefully you get my gist.

AOn another note, the list of zero rated (ie non luxury) items H M Customs & Excise has is a weird list. For example, how can they insist that tampons and sanitary towels are luxury items? It's not like they have a choice really?
 
all military forces (navy, army, special forces, raf, sas) should be shut down - why bother wasting hundreds of billions every year on this when we dont need it, america would help us in any situation that occured

Like I've said before, the armed forces are not only about defence but spreading the British sphere of influence.
 
The very nature of our "free" NHS puts it under more pressure than anywhere else in the world. This is why a free NHS actually isn't very good, when somethings free people use it without a seconds thought and waste lots and lots of time and money in doing so. If they added even a slight fee, like a £50 charge for every initial GP's visit, a Huge number of people with simply colds will wait an extra 2 days rather than pay and find they are better. Considering people with colds is the biggest load on local GP's ,it would save the country millions, and millions and millions.

ugh.gif


We're slap bang in the middle for average government spend on health per capita, and on the whole we've pretty average in most metrics... The USA spends twice as much and don't cover everyone. Look at things like infant mortality rate in the USA... people complain that because the US health system is setup in the way it is, it discourages people from getting things checked out early, and it also discourages people from preventative measures. In the long run it works out more expensive for them, but historically people don't tend to make decisions based on their long term future, otherwise we'd all have started saving for retirement the minute we started working.
 
ugh.gif


We're slap bang in the middle for average government spend on health per capita, and on the whole we've pretty average in most metrics... The USA spends twice as much and don't cover everyone. Look at things like infant mortality rate in the USA... people complain that because the US health system is setup in the way it is, it discourages people from getting things checked out early, and it also discourages people from preventative measures. In the long run it works out more expensive for them, but historically people don't tend to make decisions based on their long term future, otherwise we'd all have started saving for retirement the minute we started working.

Daz, I'm not saying we spend too much on NHS, my point is that Japan manages to spend more per capita and still has a lower tax rate and does not cut corners elsewhere.
 
benefits should be scrapped.

all military forces (navy, army, special forces, raf, sas) should be shut down - why bother wasting hundreds of billions every year on this when we dont need it, america would help us in any situation that occured

prisons should be de-nationalised - would create jobs and new companies, would stop tax being spent on people who dont deserve it, would also mean that prisoners serve their full terms and stop judges from letting criminals going free because theres no space for them

all politicians should have set wages, the people running the country should know what it feels like to be on a normal average wage.

all the extra money should be pumped into schools, nhs, emergency services, repairing roads, creating new super highways to prevent road traffic, creating jobs, etc.

tbh, the first thing that should happen is england cut off your tax supply, that'll teach you!
 
Daz, I'm not saying we spend too much on NHS, my point is that Japan manages to spend more per capita and still has a lower tax rate and does not cut corners elsewhere.

And as I said, we're pretty mediocre in terms of total taxation in this country, and pretty medicore in public services. We're not the most taxed, we don't have the best public services... we're pretty much in the middle. There are other countries that pay less and get more, there are other countries that pay more and get less - but on the whole, we're not doing too badly. It is very easy to criticise the UK, but the grass isn't always greener...
 
You want free medicine, education, police, street lighting, safe roads and pretty much anything the government provides then you've got to pay tax.

Cmon, seriously frost, how old are you to have no concept of tax and public service.
 
You want free medicine, education, police, street lighting, safe roads and pretty much anything the government provides then you've got to pay tax.

Cmon, seriously frost, how old are you to have no concept of tax and public service.

I'm not sure I'd use the word 'free' there!
 
You want free medicine, education, police, street lighting, safe roads and pretty much anything the government provides then you've got to pay tax.

Cmon, seriously frost, how old are you to have no concept of tax and public service.

How is it that some other places can achieve a level of service far above the UK while having far less tax income per capita?

This is not only about the tax rate, it's about the clinical inefficiency of the UK.
 
Back
Top Bottom