Why Mac over pc

I didn't like the look and feel of Windows 8 after trying the beta and rtm versions. Especially metro, which I really dislike.

I also needed a laptop, and ended up deciding to give OS X a try since it's also based on UNIX.

I've really enjoyed my time on it, and it's barely taking any time to get use to things on it. I barely ever even turn on my windows 7 dekstop now.
It does everything I want, and it does it well. Nearly a third of my Steam library is also available on the Mac so it's all good for me.

Sure it was expensive, but considering the build quality I expect this to last a long time.
 
I had used my friends macbook a couple of times and found it quite easy to use and a relative swore by his macbook pro. I liked the way his itunes ran smoothly and everything seemed to work quite quickly. I have iPhones/ipods/ipad in the house and originally looked at an iMac , it was no good for the gaming i am doing (not within the budget anyway), so i thought macbook.
I looked at the macbook pro and the air and thought get the Air, it was fast, very light and i have an external dvd drive if needed and its battery life is great and a great keyboard.
I travel a lot so its great for flights and long times away from a power supply. Mountain lion works well with all my idevices and im very happy with it.
It does take some getting used to but the touchpad is great and i love it .
I have a gaming pc which i will keep using for games but i do everything else on the mac ....

It was expensive BUT it looks good,its fast works well and its a quality piece of kit and the customer service i have had had been brilliant. I have no regrets.
I will get an IMac eventually though lols.
 
It's impossible to buy a non-Apple laptop that isn't either terribly built or has an awful trackpad. Hence I only buy Mac laptops.

The worst thing about going from my MacBook to a friends laptop is the crappy trackpad on their laptop! SO infuriating!
 
Yeah, but there is more to it. Oddly enough, the alleged rip off world of Apple, turned out to be quite a good value, for me personally. It might be different experience for a lot of people, but for me, after decades with SGI, Sun, PC's, Apple proves to be best bang for buck I have ever encountered in computing.

On PCs, even if you ignored all the latest trends, hardware rotation became enforced by the OS. There was no reason to switch from XP to Vista for most of users at the time when I abandoned ship. XP was stable, popular, well supported. But it wasn't enough for MS. So they forced us to move to new OS by withholding DirectX upgrade. You want to use new games, video accelerations etc? You must upgrade. Your OS, your graphics card. Oh and memory. Get a lot of memory. I think I'm right to think DirectX trick to enforce OS upgrade was used by Microsoft at least twice?

OSX doesn't do that. It doesn't force you to upgrade. If you feel you want to or need to, it's £13.99. And doesn't come in several different flavours, none of that Home Premium, Professional, Ultimate, with embedded CPU and memory limitations, just to rip you off and sell you upgrade to an upgrade. And for me, again personally, on any of the multiple OSX machines that surround me at home and at work, there was never that "drama" you get in Windows. No missing drivers from random manufacturer forcing you to update hardware, no unexpected incompatibilities. No fresh installs because something, somewhere prevents boot after in situ upgrade.

Back to last decade story. Vista was terrible mistake for most of us at the time. It definitely broke the Windows market. And Apple knew it very well. People often say Apple sells basic hardware for crazy money, but the 2008 Mac Pro with 2 physical CPU's and 8 cores was priced at £1400. There was no Windows server or workstation you could buy with the same spec, from any PC manufacturer for even remotely similar money. Back in 2008 Apple just had it all. The deal they made with Intel totally paid off. Fastest and best bang for buck workstations. Slimmest desktops. Slickest laptops. And Windows 7 simply arrived too late to the rescue.

I don't follow Windows market too closely since I switched. I mean I do have windows boxes at work, I also have Windows 7 on my Mac Pro, to which I found no need or opportunity to boot into for over 12 months. I keep Win XP laptop handy for car diagnostics. Tried Win 8, it's odd. But not the way, for example Finder in OSX, is "odd" (one could even say Finder is retarded). "Odd" in the way BeOS, Enlightment desktop in Linux or Launch Control in OSX is odd. I just don't see purpose of it. It's just one of those products that feel like it was written by couple of stoners in college dorm who took their thinking process two joints too far "outside the box", and kept on going with the code just for the sake of dramatic reveal (with obligatory "tada!") and still stand there with palm of hand raised in eternal high five that will never arrive.

By the end of last decade, as Microsoft focused on constantly misfiring web based services and console market, they effectively killed the reasons to remain in Windows. Gaming market stagnated. There was no ground braking, mass hardware upgrade worthy production since what - Crysis in 2008? Console ports were just as easy to port to other OS's as they were to other consoles, games started to slowly trickle into OSX world. Professional software market abandoned OS specific platforms. Even the obligatory MS Office stopped being a reason to use Windows PC for work. It was now available to all platforms thanks to open source options. And MS themselves, thanks to Office for Mac. The two main driving forces behind annual hardware rotations and constant upgrades, were effectively demolished by Microsoft themselves. The reasons to go back to Windows vanished. The reasons to stay with OSX remained. At least for me.

Your whole argument appears to be focused around the high end market though, not the kind of people that keep a machine for 5 years without upgrading. I doubt you're playing the latest high end games on your computer for example, much like those that don't upgrade hardware on a windows machine care about the latest version of DirectX. Most people with computers are perfectly happy with running a 7 year old computer with XP, or running their windows 7 computer for about another 5 years. Like many that argue windows or OSX is "rubbish" you appear to be mixing up the the high end and the general market. For example even a high end photographer wouldn't need to worry about directX issues.

You're also confusing incremental updates for full updates, as mentioned many times if MS started charging £15 for service packs then people would be in uproar, but glorified service packs are what most OSX updates are. Windows was a 3-5 year cycle with updates priced at around £50-70 (for the small minority that actually updated outside of a new computer buy) with two to three free major updates (security and some functionality) between times. OSX is a £13-15 a year update model, over time it all evens out...

As for your flavours, does it really matter. For the vast majority of people there is only one flavour, home premium. Professional is for the very few people that need some extra functionality and businesses. Simple. Unless you are one of the small minority that are a fiddler then it makes no difference, home premium is what you get with your computer. So my point still stands, you went from a fiddler to a standard user, much like myself, I got bored of fiddling and upgrading so just left my windows machine how it was, never had a problem or anything else. It has little to do with what OS you we using.
 
This feature is easily one of the best things os x.

Desktop 1. (a.k.a Procrastination desktop)
Normal web browser (OCuK, Reddit, Facebook)
Spotify/iTunes

Desktop 2. (a.k.a Work desktop)
Programming/in other peoples cases perhaps photoshop/web development app of choice
Programming web browser (Googling bugs/stack overflow/etc)

Desktop 3.
Email client of choice
Other background processes (Moving files on server/VMs/Backup process/etc)

I do something similar, although I have my browsers full screened. It usually goes something like finder and a couple of photos, browser for one set of searches, desktop with another set of bits on, browser for Ocuk etc. . It goes some way to solving the issue of no/poor task bar functionality (especially no quick preview option).
 
I had used my friends macbook a couple of times and found it quite easy to use and a relative swore by his macbook pro. I liked the way his itunes ran smoothly and everything seemed to work quite quickly. I have iPhones/ipods/ipad in the house and originally looked at an iMac , it was no good for the gaming i am doing (not within the budget anyway), so i thought macbook.
I looked at the macbook pro and the air and thought get the Air, it was fast, very light and i have an external dvd drive if needed and its battery life is great and a great keyboard.
I travel a lot so its great for flights and long times away from a power supply. Mountain lion works well with all my idevices and im very happy with it.
It does take some getting used to but the touchpad is great and i love it .
I have a gaming pc which i will keep using for games but i do everything else on the mac ....

It was expensive BUT it looks good,its fast works well and its a quality piece of kit and the customer service i have had had been brilliant. I have no regrets.
I will get an IMac eventually though lols.
Not really relative to comparable machines. Machines like the Sony Z, Samsung series 9 and Asus UX 31/32. All similar prices to the air and almost identical specs. There are also plenty of windows machines that rival the pro, unfortunately at the same price, which is why most of the time windows laptops are cheap piles of ****, people buy the cheapest they can find, which invariably means that £400 job from the high street, leagues away from a decent >£1000 windows laptop. Unfortunately that and the obsession with the cheaper manufactures (like acer) to fill machines with ****ware gives a bad impression of what a windows machines can actually be like.

The worst thing about going from my MacBook to a friends laptop is the crappy trackpad on their laptop! SO infuriating!

Cheap laptop again? There are quite a few high end laptops that have very good trackpads now, although in part because gestures just weren't a big deal until relatively recently. Don't tar every windows laptop with what you get from a cheap consumer windows laptop. It's a bit like saying all European cars are **** compared to Japanese cars because the Dacia sndera my friend has is rubbish compared to my Lexus...
 
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Just wish apple would get their finger out and refresh the Mac Pro range :(

Really want a decent spec pro
 
Three reasons:

1. Trackpad - the Macbook Pro trackpad is better than anything I've ever used on a Windows laptop. It seems like a ridiculous reason to spend an extra few hundred £ on a laptop, but given that it is probably the part of the machine that you interact with the most, it's pretty important!

2. Screen - the screen on the MBP is better in terms of colour representation and viewing angles than anything I've seen on comparably priced Windows machines

3. Sliding desktops - the three finger swipe introduced in Lion has been a godsend, and I can't imagine going back to an OS without it. I do a lot of writing and research, and so need to have a Word window up with a web browser, and often an Excel sheet as well. Flicking between open windows with a simple swipe again seems really minor, but it's incredible how much faster/easier it seems than alt-tabbing or clicking on the taskbar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5t1lN-OP6w

They're all really minor things, and if Windows and their manufacturers implemented them, I'd probably spend less money and get a laptop which fulfills all of my needs next time I need an update. At the moment though, these three things are worth the extra money to me.

e: I appreciate that Windows laptops are getting better - considerably better - in build quality, screen quality, and trackpads, but they're not up with the Macbooks yet.
 
Interesting to hear the photographers views as I find the complete opposite. Windows photo and fax viewer (standard windows photo viewer) is far more effective than spacebar (can't zoom in) and preview (have to select all the images you want to scroll through, rather than opening one and pressing arrow keys). Finder is a pain in comparison to the windows file manager and things like Lightroom and Photoshop work exactly the same on both (used to be for a while the OSX versions were worse). Each to their own but I really find it so much easier to view and choose photos to edit on my windows machine rather than OSX.
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For want of a better phrase, Helllllllll no!!! :p

Finder out of the box - Support for a huge range of camera RAW formats, even Phase etc, PSDs, easy colour coding system, and IMO the multi-strip layout view is the best layout for a file explorer ever. Windows explorers support for imaging is completely stone age compared to finder. You don't have to highlight all the files you want to view either, I open the first and flick through the folder with arrow keys all the time.

It's impossible to buy a non-Apple laptop that isn't either terribly built or has an awful trackpad. Hence I only buy Mac laptops.

It's astonishing that every massive PC maker in the world still hasn't come up with something nearly as good as the Mac trackpad. There are other reasons I'd buy a Macbook variant, but for use as a laptop the trackpad is crucial. I've not used every high end windows laptop but those I have aren't close to the MBP/MBA yet.

A lot of the arguments against Windows are based on stuff that's so old you can usually date when person stopped using it and switched to Mac based on what they complain about. An application crash taking out the whole OS? Windows ME maybe.

Hah, much truth in this too I think.

I don't get the whole 'upgrade' problem either. Upgrading doesn't have to involve a whole CPU/Motherboard/690GTX overhaul and can allow you to get an incredible lifespan for minimal outlay. At the same time I built the PC box I'm typing on now, I had one of the first Intel Core2Duo 20" iMacs with the matte screens. At the time that cost more than what the basic box cost (£800/900? Can't quite remember), though of course included a screen. Since I swapped out the P35 board to P45, 4GB to 16GB ram, 8800GT for a 260gtx and finally a Ati 6950, extra hardrive, Win7 and finally an SSD. On top of the initial circa £600 to build it I've spent after sale of old parts probably another £400/500 spread over the last SIX years! It will still play recent games, still perfectly adequate in Photoshop, way way more power than you'd ever need for web browsing or word processing.. I was able to upgrade the screen when I needed it, or sell it on when I didn't. About the only genuine complaint you can level at it is that it's not very power efficient compared to modern machines. You may not have had an upgrade bug with the iMac, but by now that's suitable for only the most basic tasks. Even if I'd kept selling the whole computer and buying a new iMac, in 6 years to not only keep up with the uses of this machine I'd probably have needed to do that at least twice, and spent a lot more than £1100 total in the process.

I work on a very good Mac Pro that will last a pretty long time, but the damn thing was over 3 grand. I'd hope I wouldn't get the desire to upgrade it in 6 years for that amount of money too.

The above is just kinda a brain fart of points.. I don't really have a definitive conclusion of which to buy, other than if it's a laptop it's currently Mac every single time, and if it's a desktop I'm more inclined to spec something perfectly for my needs because Mac Pro's are still ludicrously priced and iMacs are too much like laptops you can't take with you (And I have the self control to sensibly upgrade a computer with things it needs rather than things I want :p). From my experience with Windows 8 and what's floating about with this 'Blue' thing though, depending on the direction OSX takes that may be enough to move me off Windows all together.

TL: DR, the above is my distilled version. I'm not very good at editing things down.
 
For want of a better phrase, Helllllllll no!!! :p

Finder out of the box - Support for a huge range of camera RAW formats, even Phase etc, PSDs, easy colour coding system, and IMO the multi-strip layout view is the best layout for a file explorer ever. Windows explorers support for imaging is completely stone age compared to finder. You don't have to highlight all the files you want to view either, I open the first and flick through the folder with arrow keys all the time.

So does windows 7 (with a free download from MS) and windows 8 does it natively straight off th bat. The rest is user preference. So you double click on n image in a file and can then just arrow key to the next one? I've tried that multiple times and it doesn't work for me, only with space bar then arrow keys, but you can't zoom in and out with that so its basically worthless for me.

It's astonishing that every massive PC maker in the world still hasn't come up with something nearly as good as the Mac trackpad. There are other reasons I'd buy a Macbook variant, but for use as a laptop the trackpad is crucial. I've not used every high end windows laptop but those I have aren't close to the MBP/MBA yet.

Asus and Samsung have a number of high end laptops with superb trackpads, tried them? I agree though, most cheaper laptops have rubbish ones. Samsung and Asus also trump MBs with screens on their high end offerings as well (especially the airs screen).
 
So does windows 7 (with a free download from MS) and windows 8 does it natively straight off th bat. The rest is user preference. So you double click on n image in a file and can then just arrow key to the next one? I've tried that multiple times and it doesn't work for me, only with space bar then arrow keys, but you can't zoom in and out with that so its basically worthless for me.



Asus and Samsung have a number of high end laptops with superb trackpads, tried them? I agree though, most cheaper laptops have rubbish ones. Samsung and Asus also trump MBs with screens on their high end offerings as well (especially the airs screen).

Ah sorry didn't realise you meant double click, I just space bar as it's quicker, that's another thing I like about finder with the strip view, navigating on a keyboard is excellent. A full screen preview is a big enough zoom from a thumbnail for me to see what I need too, anything further and I'll open in Photoshop, as it's likely something on a PSD or something that needs editing anyway. Plus zoom is no good if it can't even read the file.

I didn't think there was any download available for PSD support in either Win7 or Win8? You can download a codec pack for some RAW formats but it doesn't include any medium format files AFAIK, so it's still not as comprehensive. You can of course go third party for a price but Finder does it for free. Also in terms of selecting files for editing, the colour system in OSX is super fast and easy, much better than anything in Explorer (unless Win8 has anything similar?).

Of course it is just user preference as you say, but for one built in program out of the box, even with a lack of zoom, I don't see how Explorer offers a better solution than Finder for imaging. The fact it extends to all sorts of extras like pptx files just with a tap of the spacebar is a bonus.

Regarding trackpads as I say I've not used every high end laptop, but I have played with a few in the £1k price range (as I'm looking for something myself) and I haven't found anything so far that's as smooth as the Macbooks. A lot will do the same kind of things, but it's never as smooth and never feels as well integrated. If you have any suggestions please pass them on!
 
Asus and Samsung have a number of high end laptops with superb trackpads, tried them? I agree though, most cheaper laptops have rubbish ones. Samsung and Asus also trump MBs with screens on their high end offerings as well (especially the airs screen).

No, I've had nothing but absolutely terrible experience with the customer support and build quality coming out of both manufacturers, Samsung in particular. I have used a Dell XPS Ultrabook thing a couple of months ago though, and that trackpad was also terrible compared to the Apple ones.

I don't think that trackpad support on Windows is going to improve until there's a native driver that Microsoft include with Windows and people build trackpads to use that driver, otherwise you end up with crap tacked on by an Alps driver and stuff just doesn't work right.
 
I don't think that trackpad support on Windows is going to improve until there's a native driver that Microsoft include with Windows and people build trackpads to use that driver, otherwise you end up with crap tacked on by an Alps driver and stuff just doesn't work right.

Oh no, you just drew attention to the elephant in the room.
 
I must admit... this thread has REALLY got me going about the Airbook.... i'm so tempted to switch from my Lenovo ThinkPAD X220.... i mean dont get me wrong,.. i love the thinkpad but i've been looking to switch over for some time now!
 
Hmm - chaps probs in a different thread for this but - Would you go for a Airbook or a Retina? seeing its just £150-200 more? I'm just after things like coding, maybe some SQL, Matlab bla bla bla. Or will an Airbook do just fine? I'm not big on pictures personally...
 
Hmm - chaps probs in a different thread for this but - Would you go for a Airbook or a Retina? seeing its just £150-200 more? I'm just after things like coding, maybe some SQL, Matlab bla bla bla. Or will an Airbook do just fine? I'm not big on pictures personally...

You have probably just answered your own question.

I love my retina personally and for the extra money its a great machine.
 
I've warmed to the 13" Retina since the price drop and would now consider one.

Still a lot of wedge for the higher one though, I wouldn't want to spend £1250 and still be stuck with 128GB, so I'd want the higher. And the 256GB air is £1200, so... hmm. Dunno.
 
On the subject actually, something last night I thought was good. I don't make enough use of the extra desktops, and the discussion just above made me go out of my way to start using them.

It reminded me that I never use the dashboard, so I had a look to see if you can get rid. One copy & pasted terminal command later, and it's gone.

I like stuff like that - there's a lot of times where you can just go and find a terminal command and do quite major things with ease, even though they're not a 'standard' option, and that's the beauty of it being a simple but fully featured OS on top of quite a powerful and flexible back end that you can use when you need to.
 
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