Ok, find me a comparable Dell 27" screen and I3 tower with wireless keyboard and mouse that's significantly cheaper than £1350 Inc vat. I haven't actually looked so you might be able to
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Ok, find me a comparable Dell 27" screen and I3 tower with wireless keyboard and mouse that's significantly cheaper than £1350 Inc vat. I haven't actually looked so you might be able to
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Yeah but would that Dell 27" screen be Dells top of the range monitor? And if so, would you really need that monitors ultra high quality considering you've only got an i3 processor inside?
I also don't understand this "difference" that people talk about when it comes to different operating systems running programs differently. My photoshop CS4 runs like a dream on my Q6600 now, considering the price difference you'd pay between a Mac and a PC, you could buy a much better processor in the PC that'd run CS4 much much better than the OS would dictate surely?
The thing is that Mac are for people that once bought Dells I guess. They want an overpriced warranty and a "pay to fix it" computer.
I also don't understand this "difference" that people talk about when it comes to different operating systems running programs differently. My photoshop CS4 runs like a dream on my Q6600 now, considering the price difference you'd pay between a Mac and a PC, you could buy a much better processor in the PC that'd run CS4 much much better than the OS would dictate surely?
The thing is that Mac are for people that once bought Dells I guess. They want an overpriced warranty and a "pay to fix it" computer.
What on earth has processing power got to do with screen quality? one of Apple's "things" is that they only use top notch glass, and that is something which is very well received overall...
when you say better do you simply mean faster?Margaret said:
is a stripped out twin-turbo Toyota MR2 "better" than an Aston Martin? - cuz that really is what it comes down to, PC owners only look at specs and are not phased by aesthetics and thats fair enough, mac owners however, look at the whole offering and decide the premium is justified
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Because if you needed an ultra high quality 27" monitor for accurate colour representation, and if your working developing graphics for say huge art work, or computer graphics for a new game, if you came in with an i3 processor, you'd bottleneck any GPU you'd NEED to present the best quality graphics on a 27" display.
If you paired up say an i3 processor with a Nvidia 580, it'd be false economy. You'd use an i5/i7 minimum.
Top notch glass in Mac's cases to me looks like a highly reflective screen covered in greasy finger marks personally.
When Margaret said "better" I presume she meant more powerful, in terms of grunt and speed. Thats pretty much fact when you look at the catalogue prices and there specs. They don't shine in any particular catergory. In fact if you build up your own spec PC, you can get 10yr/lifetime warranties on each and every individual part nearly. So the quality blows the MAC components out of the water when you have to pay for an extended warranty after 1 year to cover the whole Mac, or extra again just to get your Mac repaired with a Mac component.
If you paired up say an i3 processor with a Nvidia 580, it'd be false economy. You'd use an i5/i7 minimum.
Top notch glass in Mac's cases to me looks like a highly reflective screen covered in greasy finger marks personally.
When Margaret said "better" I presume she meant more powerful, in terms of grunt and speed. Thats pretty much fact when you look at the catalogue prices and there specs. They don't shine in any particular catergory. In fact if you build up your own spec PC, you can get 10yr/lifetime warranties on each and every individual part nearly. So the quality blows the MAC components out of the water when you have to pay for an extended warranty after 1 year to cover the whole Mac, or extra again just to get your Mac repaired with a Mac component.
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Nonsense. The 27" display looks amzing with even static pictures.. you dont need i5/i7 to get the benefit of the 27" display. I suspect you have never used one judging by your comments.
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Frank are Margaret are trolling.
I love these threads, the Apple haters just can't help themselves.
Yeah, for some people price is everything. They would happily have a crappy beige box in their living room if it was cheaper and faster than a beautiful piece of product design. There's no point arguing with that logic!
Personally I use my iMac for web development, a bit of Photoshop, and general web/video/music photos. The i3 and 8GB ram copes with that just fine - it's faster than I am! In fact the core 2 duo in the mac mini I use at work also copes just fine, and that's with much more heavier Photoshop use whilst simultaneously running Windows for browser testing.
I don't need any more speed - I just want a fuss free experience that let's me get on with the actual task, but wrapped up in a nicely designed product.
Personally I use my iMac for web development, a bit of Photoshop, and general web/video/music photos. The i3 and 8GB ram copes with that just fine - it's faster than I am! In fact the core 2 duo in the mac mini I use at work also copes just fine, and that's with much more heavier Photoshop use whilst simultaneously running Windows for browser testing.
I don't need any more speed - I just want a fuss free experience that let's me get on with the actual task, but wrapped up in a nicely designed product.
Working about 30 mins in Adobe CS5 pretty much shows why pc's jsut shouldnt have anything to do with graphics...or movie editing/ AfterEffects
And before Pc poeple comein talking about how they work/ edit fine on a PC, talk about their specs and all teh rest of it...jsut dont...please..spare yourself the emabrressment..cause itll only show you have never sat in front of a Mac your entire life.
And I have a Pc, SSD, etc etc for home, but have to have an iMac bside it for Work.
And before Pc poeple comein talking about how they work/ edit fine on a PC, talk about their specs and all teh rest of it...jsut dont...please..spare yourself the emabrressment..cause itll only show you have never sat in front of a Mac your entire life.
And I have a Pc, SSD, etc etc for home, but have to have an iMac bside it for Work.
I don't understand the fuss, personally. I've always built and enjoyed my own PCs and had way greater specs for a fraction of the price of a Mac....
....which is great. Until you actually try a Mac and realise what you're missing, tbqh. After playing in the Apple store again today (and deciding I'd be silly not to buy a MBP) I was blown away by the 27" iMac. I've never seen anything coming even close to that quality, and as was said above, trying to be objective I can't really envisage setting up a Windows machine for less money once you had a screen of that calibre factored into the price.
I've been a die-hard Windows and Linux person since forever, and used to laugh at the "Apple iDiots". But having actually experienced them? My next computer is a Mac... and probably the ones after that, too.
....which is great. Until you actually try a Mac and realise what you're missing, tbqh. After playing in the Apple store again today (and deciding I'd be silly not to buy a MBP) I was blown away by the 27" iMac. I've never seen anything coming even close to that quality, and as was said above, trying to be objective I can't really envisage setting up a Windows machine for less money once you had a screen of that calibre factored into the price.
I've been a die-hard Windows and Linux person since forever, and used to laugh at the "Apple iDiots". But having actually experienced them? My next computer is a Mac... and probably the ones after that, too.
Every time I come around to buying a new pc, I tell myself I'm going to buy a mac this time. I love product design, and the forte of apple is obviously design, so it draws me every time. I know that osx and much of the apple software is easy to use and gets the job done.
And then I look at the price, and what I need to do...
I can get a top of the range i7-2600k Sandybridge with 8gb ram, nvidia gfx, all overclockable with a dell 23" ips monitor for similar money to a 21.5" 4gb i3 iMac. This lets me edit/produce 1080p video from my dslr using Premiere CS5 and the Nvidia-only Mercury Engine, create 3d rendering using 3d Studio Max and Architectural drawing using AutoCAD and Revit. Windows 7 is a fast and stable operating system, which has finally improved on the travesty that was Vista, so even that is on a par with osx.
The PC case is under the desk, so all I have visible is a shiny monitor and wireless mouse and keyboard, so the product design fetish is partly satisfied
I just can't afford to go Mac right now.
And then I look at the price, and what I need to do...
I can get a top of the range i7-2600k Sandybridge with 8gb ram, nvidia gfx, all overclockable with a dell 23" ips monitor for similar money to a 21.5" 4gb i3 iMac. This lets me edit/produce 1080p video from my dslr using Premiere CS5 and the Nvidia-only Mercury Engine, create 3d rendering using 3d Studio Max and Architectural drawing using AutoCAD and Revit. Windows 7 is a fast and stable operating system, which has finally improved on the travesty that was Vista, so even that is on a par with osx.
The PC case is under the desk, so all I have visible is a shiny monitor and wireless mouse and keyboard, so the product design fetish is partly satisfied
I just can't afford to go Mac right now.
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Trolling this thread? Lol, right ok
I just find it an interesting comparison which always becomes an argument against dogmatic Apple users who won't settle until they have that smug feeling of being right. It's amusing.
If you want a 27" monitor for looking at pretty pictures, with a lovely pretty frame round the outside and lovely oily finger prints all over it then thats fine. You do that. You want your monitor to be pride of place in the room, that's why its white, I get it.
If I wanted top notch gaming on a 27" screen, or graphics rendering, or even photoshop use, I'd want a future proof, capable processor to work in harmony with the rest of my computers spec.
I think you'd be nuts to buy a brand new iMac with your own money, with a top notch 27" monitor (IPS) and an i3 processor. As Cochoc stated above, look what you can get in terms of a PC when compared to a Mac? i7 Sandybridge, nvidia gfx, 8gb of RAM all VERY overclockable AND a Dell 23" IPS vs a i3, 4gb, with a 21.5" monitor?
I've used Macs before and they're just NOT THAT FAST. Maybe the Macs I've used have been poorly maintained in terms of there OS, or the PC's you've used are infested with bloatware, I don't know, but in terms of value for money resulting in processing power - PC wins hands down. In terms intergrating your Adobe work with others in a Network - Mac wins hands down, as its just the industry standard now.
I just find it an interesting comparison which always becomes an argument against dogmatic Apple users who won't settle until they have that smug feeling of being right. It's amusing.
If you want a 27" monitor for looking at pretty pictures, with a lovely pretty frame round the outside and lovely oily finger prints all over it then thats fine. You do that. You want your monitor to be pride of place in the room, that's why its white, I get it.
If I wanted top notch gaming on a 27" screen, or graphics rendering, or even photoshop use, I'd want a future proof, capable processor to work in harmony with the rest of my computers spec.
I think you'd be nuts to buy a brand new iMac with your own money, with a top notch 27" monitor (IPS) and an i3 processor. As Cochoc stated above, look what you can get in terms of a PC when compared to a Mac? i7 Sandybridge, nvidia gfx, 8gb of RAM all VERY overclockable AND a Dell 23" IPS vs a i3, 4gb, with a 21.5" monitor?
I've used Macs before and they're just NOT THAT FAST. Maybe the Macs I've used have been poorly maintained in terms of there OS, or the PC's you've used are infested with bloatware, I don't know, but in terms of value for money resulting in processing power - PC wins hands down. In terms intergrating your Adobe work with others in a Network - Mac wins hands down, as its just the industry standard now.
I can't believe how much we all debate this point, its intriguing really how us mac folk feel our stuff needs defending...
I suppose the only thing that puts a real full stop to the argument (if you can call it that) is that on one side of the fence you have (pretty much always) people who had PCs for years and now use Macs, and on the other side people who have only ever used PCs... do you chaps not realise that we are the only ones speaking from experience?
At the end of the day maybe macs wouldn't be as cool if every man and their dog had one i dunno, but for those folks who won't give Macs time of day, I urge you to give them a chance regardless of what you feel right now regarding value for money - I highly doubt you'll be so negative towards them
I suppose the only thing that puts a real full stop to the argument (if you can call it that) is that on one side of the fence you have (pretty much always) people who had PCs for years and now use Macs, and on the other side people who have only ever used PCs... do you chaps not realise that we are the only ones speaking from experience?
At the end of the day maybe macs wouldn't be as cool if every man and their dog had one i dunno, but for those folks who won't give Macs time of day, I urge you to give them a chance regardless of what you feel right now regarding value for money - I highly doubt you'll be so negative towards them
The previous comments about "it just works" are very true. It's like a reliable tool that works all the time and doesn't require troubleshooting etc, which I want since I work in IT during the day and want something that just works in the evening. My imac is also quiet and saves on space with having a tower and all that jazz.
why mac?
build quality
multi-touch trackpad (really helps productivity when combined with multi-clutch)
ease of use
speed (am dual booting with win 7 and osx is much faster)
aesthetics
the ability to legally run all software (rather than just windows/linux software)
build quality
multi-touch trackpad (really helps productivity when combined with multi-clutch)
ease of use
speed (am dual booting with win 7 and osx is much faster)
aesthetics
the ability to legally run all software (rather than just windows/linux software)
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The whole drag and drop, dock for quick access etc
One of the best things is spaces. I have 9 desktops and use each one for separate things like, web, email, Win 7, office stuff, games, photos, trading etc. I find it an awesome way of arranging my work flow and much better than windows ever was with the damn task bar.
I would just love to have a 12 core mac pro with 3x 27" ACD's and lots of desktops! Heaven
One of the best things is spaces. I have 9 desktops and use each one for separate things like, web, email, Win 7, office stuff, games, photos, trading etc. I find it an awesome way of arranging my work flow and much better than windows ever was with the damn task bar.
I would just love to have a 12 core mac pro with 3x 27" ACD's and lots of desktops! Heaven
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I haven't looked back since I switched. I want a high-power Windows machine too, but that's purely for gaming. For every day use I <3 <3 <3 OS X.