Why no Titan X Pascal?

[voidshatter]

OCUK would have no option but to honour the law and allow a return within 14 days:

Under UK law, OCUK (and other retailers) have to abide by the Consumer Contracts Regulations.

"Your right to cancel an order for goods starts the moment you place your order and ends 14 days from the day you receive your goods."

OCUK (and other retailers) are able to charge you a fee if the value of the goods has been diminished, for example if you've broken the seal, got fingerprints on it, etc etc

"You are liable for any diminished value of the goods resulting from the handling other than what is necessary to establish the nature, characteristics and functioning of the goods. For example, if it goes beyond the sort of handling that might reasonably be allowed in a shop. We will deduct this amount from the value of the refund."


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So yes, there is nothing stopping someone ordering 10xTitanXP from NVIDIA, testing each one for the best sample, then returning the 9 other cards under this law. They may be charged a fee due to the opened boxes/broken seals/used or due to the fact the GPU is now a little dusty etc.

Note I don't agree with this practice at all, I think there should be a another kind of seal on the PCI-E connector, which once broken, voids the right to return due during this 14 days etc, though you can bet many do abuse this law.

nVidia and the graphics card manufacturers have made it hard for the consumers. If they bin their GPUs according to overclockability and set the pricing accordingly then I'd be happy to pay more for the gems that overclock better.

"Trial and return" is surely inefficient and may cause both sides (the consumer and the retailer) lose money. Unfortunately this is how some of the geeks are making their way into the Hall of Fame of 3DMark.

 

[Kaapstad]

nVidia and the graphics card manufacturers have made it hard for the consumers. If they bin their GPUs according to overclockability and set the pricing accordingly then I'd be happy to pay more for the gems that overclock better.

"Trial and return" is surely inefficient and may cause both sides (the consumer and the retailer) lose money. Unfortunately this is how some of the geeks are making their way into the Hall of Fame of 3DMark.

A number of those geeks are members of this forum and they don't use the above method to get on the 3DMark Hall of Fame.

 

[voidshatter]

A number of those geeks are members of this forum and they don't use the above method to get on the 3DMark Hall of Fame.

How do they do it? Buy dozens as new and sell dozens as second-hand? That's exceptionally rich, for some ladder that gets refreshed approx. every 12 months...

 

[Kaapstad]

How do they do it? Buy dozens as new and sell dozens as second-hand? That's exceptionally rich, for some ladder that gets refreshed approx. every 12 months...

No

They just use what turns up first time.

 

[spoffle]

I think they want to sell TxP them selves is so the likes of MSI etc can't change small components such as vrm that has not been verified by Nvidia affecting qaulity in their halo product.

Changing a single component on a board can have big impact remember ref 290s memory? I see this as qaulity assurance + good money

That's not why they're doing it at all. They're doing it to cut out any middle men so that they hold a much higher margin.

This is why they've pushed the price up to £1200 as well. They're seeing how far they can push people before it's too far.

They're going down an even darker path than they're used to, and it's unfortunate. They're chasing short term profit for long term profit.

 

[voidshatter]

No

They just use what turns up first time.

If you mean to make it to the top 100 then yes I believe you. If you mean top 10 then it would be really lucky.

 

[Kaapstad]

If you mean to make it to the top 100 then yes I believe you. If you mean top 10 then it would be really lucky.

No luck

In the pic below are 3 people who are OcUK forums members

They are all using normal Pascal Titans. 8 Pack is using LN2 on the CPU but not the GPUs.

Nearly all Pascal Titans can hit these sort of clocks, you don't have to be lucky.

 

[voidshatter]

No luck

In the pic below are 3 people who are OcUK forums members

They are all using normal Pascal Titans. 8 Pack is using LN2 on the CPU but not the GPUs.

Nearly all Pascal Titans can hit these sort of clocks, you don't have to be lucky.

You mean the Titan X Pascal GPUs are never the bottleneck, but instead the 6950X would require some luck?

 

[Holst1981]

You mean the Titan X Pascal GPUs are never the bottleneck, but instead the 6950X would require some luck?

But you can buy the cpu binned from 8pack if you have the cash.

 

[Kaapstad]

But you can buy the cpu binned from 8pack if you have the cash.

No you can't

You can only buy his PCs with a 6950X in.

 

[vapor matt]

To keep buying 6950X cpu's till you get a special one can work out expensive but 8pack is in a better position than most, he can most likely try all he wants too, good luck to him, after all we wouldn't mind to be in that position. as for my titan XP its the first one I got, and no reason to send it back. it will do 2114 core and memory's not bad either. no complaints here, and if someone can afford to buy 5 and pick the best one, good luck to them. they all seem quite close to me because of the max V=core you can use. LN2 different story of course.

 

[Kaapstad]

To keep buying 6950X cpu's till you get a special one can work out expensive but 8pack is in a better position than most, he can most likely try all he wants too, good luck to him, after all we wouldn't mind to be in that position. as for my titan XP its the first one I got, and no reason to send it back. it will do 2114 core and memory's not bad either. no complaints here, and if someone can afford to buy 5 and pick the best one, good luck to them. they all seem quite close to me because of the max V=core you can use. LN2 different story of course.

All 4 of my Pascal Titans clock very close to each other.

 

[vapor matt]

All 4 of my Pascal Titans clock very close to each other.

I expect most of the Titan gpu's to be the same. You might get an exceptional one every now and then but I would expect most to be close. Best thing to do with a Titan is water cool it.

 

[voidshatter]

To keep buying 6950X cpu's till you get a special one can work out expensive but 8pack is in a better position than most, he can most likely try all he wants too, good luck to him, after all we wouldn't mind to be in that position. as for my titan XP its the first one I got, and no reason to send it back. it will do 2114 core and memory's not bad either. no complaints here, and if someone can afford to buy 5 and pick the best one, good luck to them. they all seem quite close to me because of the max V=core you can use. LN2 different story of course.

Could you give me some details as to why he could try many samples? (Sorry I'm new here so I'm not familiar with this.) Thanks!

 

[vapor matt]

Could you give me some details as to why he could try many samples? (Sorry I'm new here so I'm not familiar with this.) Thanks!

Because 8pack works for OCUK and bin's special CPU's for sale, if he finds a golden chip he would have course try it for world record purposes, he holds a few overclocking world records. any one in his position would do the same. like anything else when you buy retail its pot luck if you get a good overclocking CPU or GPU, if you chase records it would get expensive to keep buying and hopeing you get a good one. as 8pack says only 3% of the new 6700k cpu's can make 5.2 ghz and that's what you pay for. far better than buying 33 cpu's to get 1 good clocking one.

 

[voidshatter]

Because 8pack works for OCUK and bin's special CPU's for sale, if he finds a golden chip he would have course try it for world record purposes, he holds a few overclocking world records. any one in his position would do the same. like anything else when you buy retail its pot luck if you get a good overclocking CPU or GPU, if you chase records it would get expensive to keep buying and hopeing you get a good one. as 8pack says only 3% of the new 6700k cpu's can make 5.2 ghz and that's what you pay for. far better than buying 33 cpu's to get 1 good clocking one.

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