Why shouldn't cyclists be able to use the motorway?
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This part here is exactly the reason that bicycles shouldn't use the hard shoulder:
There is absolutely no way that a slow moving vehicle can safely cross a slip road on a Motorway flowing at 60/70mph.
The same applies for mopeds & mobility scooters.
There is absolutely no way that a slow moving vehicle can safely cross a slip road on a Motorway flowing at 60/70mph.
The same applies for mopeds & mobility scooters.
If that was the case they'd be called motorways. Here's a hint. The clue is in the name. But what do you care, this thread is just tongue in cheek, right?
So if we renamed them Freeways you'd be happy for cycles to use them because the word "motor" had been removed. Outstanding reasoning there mate.
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because if most of the dimwits can't use public roads properly why would you want them on the motorway?
Also it would be dangerous too if you gave them a single lane to use and abide by as they by their nature will ride into other lanes endangering the lives of motorists.
Can you back that rather strong series of statements up with any proof?
Or are you just yet again showing your bias, bigotry and hatred towards cyclists?
Thanks, I aim to please.
Please, do explain, do you really believe there's no real reason why cyclists aren't allowed on motorways, and it's only illegal because some bloke in government felt like it?
There are also certain A roads which cycles aren't allowed on, care to explain that one? "Mate".
Because he's making bold accusations. He's stating most cyclists can't use roads properly. That they're dangerous. That they can't abide by rules.
Change the word cyclists to say...Black people, Teenagers, Women etc...see where it ends up?
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Exactly this, sometimes you dont need proof, just good, old common sense. I continually see Cyclists jumping red lights, not using lighting, going the wrong way up one way streets etc etc.
A majority (excluding every cyclist in these forums
) cant even abide by the highway code as it is so I can see no reason why letting them on a motorway could benefit the human race in anyway.
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Motorways are dangerous places for anyone not in a car at the best of times. This thread boggles the mind.
Exactly this, sometimes you dont need proof, just good, old common sense. I continually see Cyclists jumping red lights, not using lighting, going the wrong way up one way streets etc etc.
A majority (excluding every cyclist in these forums
I see cars doing all of these things too. Hell, I've possibly done certain things stated above whilst driving.
We all know cars are far more dangerous too.
Where's you proof that a majority of cyclists can't abide by the highway code? Or do you not operate on proof either and just function on opinion?
Exactly - a law unto themselves. The attitude of the majority of them (especially 'experienced' cyclists in all their fancy gear) is disgraceful; aggressive and inflammatory. Half the time I'm apprehensive to overtake them in case they attempt or gesture to kick the car or shout verbal profanities at me or my fellow passengers, or something else to that effect. It's about give and take, and as far as I can see (and have experience with) all they do is take.
Keep them away from motorways at all costs. In fact, it should be mandatory that all cyclists who wish to use public roads have to partake in some form of education and training. They need to get rid of their superiority complex, realise that they're not invincible and learn that applying rules specifically intended for vehicles to them, is ridiculous (and instead, abide by rules specifically tailored to them). Maybe then we'd have less cycling-related road deaths.
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Dear Spursingham.
If the government also told you that the reason for the recent cuts was aliens infesting their brains, would you also believe it?
VED is still road tax, despite the rename to try and shift anger away from it.
Also the whole concept of a pot of cash is flawed. If the amount of "VED" paying cars halved overnight, would the government continue to pay the same amount towards maintaining the nation's roads?
Money gained from VED is proportional to the amount spent on roads. That's just how it is.
I'm hugely in favour of road tax (or VED) being rolled into petrol costs. That way the people that use the roads the most pay the most and we encourage a new generation of cars that burn less. Seems a win-win to me.
I see plenty of dimwits using the motorway every day. Plus ca change, plus la meme chose.
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100% agree, motorists need banning
It really isn't
If the amount of income tax halved overnight, would the government continue to pay the same amount towards maintaining the nation's roads?
What about VAT? etc?
I think you'll find the answer to that is "no"
Says who? I'd love to see some figures to back up your claim...
If cyclists are banned from all motorways, why aren't they also banned from all NSL A-roads? I can't see how one can be safe while the other isn't.
Yes I'm aware that cyclist are prohibted on certain stretches of A-road, like the Hindhead tunnel as I've pointed out. It's a good question though; what makes these stretches of A road particularly dangerous for cyclists?
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The proof is what i see with my own eyes, not best guess statistics.
I drive 200 miles a week and i can tell you the MAJORITY of cyclists, lets say 7 out of 10, do not abide by the highway code.
Don't be a pedant.... seriously 'black people'?
What does race or social equality have to do with road use? Don't change the subject by trying to make unrelated and unnecessary connections.In the case of the cyclists I encounter on the way to and from work every day.... he'd be right.
They abjure the dedicated cycle path along the bypass (built at great expense) and wobble about in nsl traffic. They blow through red traffic lights without even slowing down. They undertake cars and lorries, weave in and out of moving traffic giving no signals as to their intent - in one case the guy went the wrong side of a keep left bollard and rode directly into oncoming vehicles, just so he didn't have to stop (I see a guy on a moped who does this most days of the week too). They ride wearing dark clothing with no lights on their bikes along an unlit nsl road.
These riders are not the 'recreational' bunch you see hogging lanes at weekends in the summer pretending they're in the tour de france. They're commuters who don't give a damn about anyone else.
There's a couple of chaps I see every day who behave themselves and ride courteously, and most drivers give them the same in return. In fact I've observed these same riders being waved through and given way to by drivers who respect their consideration to the rules of the road.
On the whole, bar one or two notable exceptions, cyclists I encounter on my commuting seem to have no conception of the danger they present to other road users and themselves. Sure I might be better protected in my metal box, but if I have to swerve to avoid a weaving cyclist, or one who runs a red light (happened before, will happen again) and I have a head on collision with another motor vehicle traveling at 30-40 mph, that right there is a combined 60-80mph impact and a trip to A&E if you're lucky. What use is my metal box for protection then?
All it takes is a split second for everything to go so badly wrong. Most people involved in serious road traffic accidents always say the same thing 'I wasn't expecting it' 'I never saw it coming' 'It was just an ordinary commute to work, how could this have happened to me?'.
To put it another way - cyclists appear (I'm making a reasoned guess here) to take the rule that car drivers must be aware and give way to pedestrians/cyclists etc to mean that they have carte blanche ro ride in whatever manner they see fit, because 'it's ok, drivers will always have to make way for me'.
Whilst this is technically true it needs to be applied with common sense and courtesy.
Same goes for pedestrians crossing the road at T-junctions, who look at you turning off a main road into a side road, crossing over oncoming traffic, then they step out into the road anyway. You have to stop to avoid running them down, causing other drivers to stop also.
Placing your own safety in the hands of other road users courtesy and observation is not only inconsiderate, but reckless in the extreme.
ooh, turned into a but of a rant there lol.
Don't be a pedant.... seriously 'black people'?
You're clearly not grasping the simple point being made. That he is grouping a collective of people together and applying negative and unproven statements to all of them as a whole.
If this was done to black people, it would be racism.
To teenagers; ageism.
To women; sexism.
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