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why such a big price difference 7950-->7970 ?

gregster said:
Well when Kpeler is released, he will blow his top. I wouldn't for one instance imagine they will be cheap but Nvidia have surprised before.
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I don't think anyones expecting them to be cheap.
But they should occupy current 79XX prices with superior performance, driving the price of the 79XX down. (Past Nvidia prices would be the evidence)

If this doesn't happen, it's only because of the initial price gauging by AMD that has allowed Nvidia to be able to.

Hopefully then the market will react and the prices would drop as they should.

Surveyor said:
He didn't hate AMD.

Now he seems to with a passion because he can't buy their new cards at prices he considers reasonable.
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What's wrong with that? Honestly, on the 69XX launch you could pick up two 6950's for 360 (180 each for the 2GB's were around) and unlock them or a 6970 crossfire, and now we have this?
 
Martini1991 said:
Nice fanboy spin you put on that.
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No, a nice truthful spin put on it. An open minded, non idealistic way of putting it.

Fact - Fermi was too late.
Fact - Fermi was too hot.
Fact - Fermi was too loud.
Fact - Fermi was too expensive.
Fact - Nvidia's arrogance and ignorance put BFG out of business.

So what did they do to rectify it? they fixed it. Yup, they did, no denying that.

Sadly any one that had bought a 4 series out of their devotion to Nvidia saw the biggest price decrease on a piece of hardware that I can remember.

Within three months a £450 (note, four hundred and fifty pounds) card was selling on here for £190.

Forget all of that did you? or wasn't it true? don't tell me, "Fanboy spin". Even though every single review of those cards and what happened afterwards are perfectly true.

I actually felt really sorry for any one who bought a 4 series. I did.
 
Sack this, I'm not going to defend a company I refuse to buy from on principal lol >.<.
But the 4XX was overpriced, hot, loud, and late, can't say anything wrong about that, but the way you're doing it is with a nice spin.
I've used 2 470's in SLI when I was requested to from a build log, I saw awful temperatures, but their overclocking percentage was VERY high, they clocked very nicely and offered amazing performance when clocked.
You can get a 470 SLI on the heels of a stock 580 SLI.

Just get an aftermarket cooler and your heat/acoustics = Fixed.
 
Surveyor said:
He seems to have AMD rage.
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I actually spoke to some one with AMD rage the other night.

He too owns an AMD card (a 6950).

Yet according to him every single review out there was full of lies and the 7970 was a, quote "placebo based on fooling idiots into thinking it's the fastest card on earth and so worth the money".

It's truly incredible to see the depths people will stoop to when trying to hide their envy and jealousy. I mean, this guy was actually convinced that the 7970 was a big conspiracy.
 
ALXAndy said:
So you tell me then, why does he have his panties in a bunch, to the point that he is prepared to embarrass himself by telling lies?

The 7 series are barely any faster than the 5xx series according to him, and they're desperately over priced because they are faster than Nvidia cards at the same prices.

It's called, incase you were unaware, an oxymoron.
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Pricing- That's the problem, and I can see his point (to a degree).

The blame lies with both Nvidia and AMD- not just AMD. Nvidia currently won't shift their pricing on their 14 month old cards and AMD aren't willing to make the same mistake twice by 'cheaping out' like they did with the 5xxx series.

Obvious stuff, but I think it's fair to say it's frustration more than anything else :p
 
I will never understand the Loyalty to a brand. I have an I5 2500K if AMD had a better chip for the same money or slightly more I might have gone that way. I own a 560ti card only because that was the best option when I was in the market for a card.
Regardless of what a company does to another. Buisness is buisness and anybody in the high part of that will tell you it is a dog eat dog world.
 
Nocky24 said:
Pricing- That's the problem, and I can see his point (to a degree).

The blame lies with both Nvidia and AMD- not just AMD. Nvidia currently won't shift their pricing on their 14 month old cards and AMD aren't willing to make the same mistake twice by 'cheaping out' like they did with the 5xxx series.

Obvious stuff, but I think it's fair to say it's frustration more than anything else :p
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I'm not sure how cheaping out was a mistake.
It gained then a massive DX11 foothold.
They were massively raved about.

Also, lets say one person buys an AMD, has a positive experience etc, he may be more inclined to stay AMD.
 
Martini1991 said:
What's wrong with that? Honestly, on the 69XX launch you could pick up two 6950's for 360 (180 each for the 2GB's were around) and unlock them or a 6970 crossfire, and now we have this?
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What's wrong with that is it's a completely over the top reaction.

Express disappointment if you wish and don't buy one of the 7 series cards.

To go on and on, post after post, thread after thread, is not a healthy reaction.
 
Surveyor said:
What's wrong with that is it's a completely over the top reaction.

Express disappointment if you wish and don't buy one of the 7 series cards.

To go on and on, post after post, thread after thread, is not a healthy reaction.
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I've already said he's gone over the top :p
Expressing disappointment is fine.
But the 79XX prices are disgusting :p
 
Nocky24 said:
Pricing- That's the problem, and I can see his point (to a degree).
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They're expensive cards Nocky. No one is denying that mate. Not even me. I know that paying £439 for a card that will become a doorstop in about a year was a really stupid thing to do. However, I had the money and hey, it's done now. Not going to beat myself up over it.

Nocky24 said:
The blame lies with both Nvidia and AMD- not just AMD. Nvidia currently won't shift their pricing on their 14 month old cards and AMD aren't willing to make the same mistake twice by 'cheaping out' like they did with the 5xxx series.

Obvious stuff, but I think it's fair to say it's frustration more than anything else :p
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I'd love to sit here and blame X or Y for the prices. I have too I admit. However, I'm also capable (thank god) of looking at this sensibly.

1. No one is forcing you to pay those prices. Yet, people's reaction you would think that they had chained their mothers to a post and told them buy one or we shoot her. So basically it's clear that they're fully aware of how good the cards are, but can't just be reasonable and say "man, I wish I could afford one but I can't". Some have, mind.

2. If I were AMD then quite rightly, like any one on this planet with an ounce of sense, I would sell what I had invented for as much as I bloody could.

It's probably a good thing I don't have access to the Member's Market right now, because to display some irony I'd have gone and offered people ten pence for their 570s quoting "It's not worth any more than that because I said so so ner".

Which would probably be water off a duck's back and I would get banned for being stupid.
 
Just wondering, have Amd sold anything like the number of 7970\7950 cards in the UK that they thought they would. I doubt it, and why is that, easy answer because most sensible people have realised they are too expensive for what they are and they are not selling. I am not saying they are poor cards but I and many others expected better and therfore they are poor value and I'm afraid this is reflected in their UK sales. Oh also, and this wont go down well with owners but is it not the case that more people think these cards ARE overpriced and that the people defending them are owners, and isn't that always the case.:)
 
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rolypolyman said:
Just wondering, have Amd sold anything like the number of 7970\7950 cards in the UK that they thought they would. I doubt it, and why is that, easy answer because most sensible people have realised they are too expensive for what they are and they are not selling. I am not saying they are poor cards but I and many others expected better and therfore they are poor value and I'm afraid this is reflected in their UK sales.:)
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Yawn. Go and look up their share prices recently.

If the 7950 and 7970 were poor value then Nvidia are about to go bust.
 
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