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Why the current prices are going to kill PC gaming

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PC Gaming used to be a privilege in the 1980s, where you'd need 2-3 average monthly paychecks to afford a fairly standard PC but that was because PCs were the domain of an affluent minority and still mostly seen as business machines.

10 years ago one monthly paycheck would buy you a top of the line pc (i7 with an x80ti class equivalent and 16GB RAM) and from my personal experience (I build for friends and acquaintances) it seems roughly what people are ready to spend today.

How does it work today for the same configuration?

1)Let us take the US 2019 census median household income as example now and see what happens.
Assuming one household has 2 working people (fairly close to typical) you get $65k/2 = 32,5K but this is before taxes.

2)Bing (please provide a better source if you're interested) tells me that between federal and other kind of taxation you get 29,8% in average. Let's be generous and say it's 25%. This gives us roughly $24k per year or $2k per month.

3) Using PC part picker (which is fairly optimistic about prices!) we get roughly $2k for an i7, rtx 3080ti and 32GB 3200 ram with the cheapest components (aside PSU but that's a small part) before shipping and taxes, let's add 6,35% average US sales tax to that and we seem to get about 107% of a paycheck but this is a best case with someone able to self assembly a PC (so a minority)

4) If you go to Amazon USA the closest configuration to this I could find is $2300 (downgrading to a regular 3080!) plus shipping & taxes, let's assume 6,35% and $30 shipping: we get roughly $2500 or 124% of a median US salary.

By this criteria, provided the conditions posted above (which are still better than big box stores!) you're already asking at least half of your market to shell more than they are likely to be comfortable with or they will likely buy below those specs.

This gives us half of the western market, now let's take the same process to the other half:

1) Average income in EU is about €18k and I'll take Italy as example up ahead as it's fairly close to the median in both income and taxes not to mention what I'm mostly familiar with

2) At this amount, the average taxation is roughly 27% which means about €13k per year, or roughly 1100€ per month (Italian posters may or may not disagree but I'm going with Eurostat sources here).

3) A ready PC of the configuration described earlier will cost you approximately 2400€ in the very best case I could find (on sale) or roughly 220% of the median paycheck! Self assembly might save a little money but the savings aren't huge (roughly 10%).

By this, I'm extremely confident more than half the potential EU market will either skip this gen or buy far lower specs than a typical "good" gaming PC would be.

I won't even try to do calculations for today's top (i9 and x90 class) specs but I'm fairly sure this gets closer to top 10% incomes.

Do you know what the net effect of this is? People entirely skipping GPUs to get a Ryzen 5700g (a regression from even Pascal levels!), buying 2nd hand last gen or getting by with either laptops, older hardware or game streaming.

I earn closer to the US median than the EU median yet as someone who has been in PC gaming for over 30 years I'd rather keep getting by with 10 years old hardware supported by a RX 590 than being mugged by either player!
 
You have to remember the demographic of PC gamers that make up the majority of sales.

18-34yrs with few other commitments & money burning a hole in their pockets.

£1500+ for a GPU, £500+ for a CPU/Motherboard, £300 for RAM is a lot of money when you have a mortgage and kids to pay for its not so much for a single person with no mortgage or kids, maybe just a month or two of saving for it and while the cost of living has gone up, in the UK at least, there are still record numbers of people in jobs, earning a wage with money to spend.

Recession after recession has shown that anything that keeps people entertained at home, is pretty much recession proof.
 
The cards will still sell, just the demand will be much lower. Cards might even be available for a few hours instead of only a few minutes. Retailers should get cards much more often too as no miners will be taking cards directly from the manufacturers.

Most are likely waiting to see what AMD come out with in November. AMD have a huge opportunity here to undercut big green and could make a killing if they have good pricing, good performance and plenty of stock. I suspect only one of those will be true though.
 
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I agree the constant cost inflation of PC ownership has reached past the point where its unsustainable.

Over the last 6 years i have upgraded to each ##70 class card, i skipped the 3070 because it was way above MSRP for most of its life, now even if it is was at MSRP i just don't think its a good enough GPU anymore, its still about £50 above MSRP.

And then we come to this generation, Nvidia want £950 for what is a ##60 class card rebranded the RTX 4080 12GB, that is now taking the pee.

The only hope we have is AMD, failing that i think a lot of people will simply switch to Consoles.
 
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Whilst it's changed, it is in part due to the resolution differences and what it takes to drive them. This and the want for higher frame rates. The difference between 1080p high/ultra 60fps and 4k high/ultra 120fps is a different hobby. The pc game is just the same. Years ago this would be 720p to 1080p at the same fps, a much smaller jump.
 
Whilst it's changed, it is in part due to the resolution differences and what it takes to drive them. This and the want for higher frame rates. The difference between 1080p high/ultra 60fps and 4k high/ultra 120fps is a different hobby. The pc game is just the same. Years ago this would be 720p to 1080p at the same fps, a much smaller jump.
1080p/60/ultra at Pascal generation was sub $300, now it's at least $100 over that. Relative performance per dollar is lower and absolute is the same at best.
 
1080p/60/ultra at Pascal generation was sub $300, now it's at least $100 over that. Relative performance per dollar is lower and absolute is the same at best.

It's always going to increase regardless, in particular in the current climate. 2016 is a long time ago. 4k has been silly for years cost wise for a smooth experience and arguably still is.
 
It's always going to increase regardless, in particular in the current climate. 2016 is a long time ago. 4k has been silly for years cost wise for a smooth experience and arguably still is.
Not even arguable, it is completely stupid.
By 2010 when the 5870 and GTX 480 arrived, 1080P was easy to run.
Heck even ramping up top stupid levels of AA on the 480 barely brought the framerate down, crazy power at the time.
That spot has moved to 1440P.
 
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Nope.

1) Because people are willing to pay the higher costs;
2) Because comparing PC costs instead of TCO will mislead you.

Yes it's more expensive now upfront, but also you can keep it for much longer - so it's actually cheaper. For example, people can still play at 1080p just fine with PCs from 9 years ago (290x + i7 4770k or even older 2700k etc...)

Plus many could argue that the Steam Deck is a capable entry into PC gaming, and that's also a handheld, and it's only 419€. And that's not saying anything about cost of games going down, the f2p experiences, the deals, the freebies, the overall macro-economic conditions which make PC gaming even more attractive than ever, etc.

So rest assured prices are definitely not killing PC gaming.
 
Nope.

1) Because people are willing to pay the higher costs;
2) Because comparing PC costs instead of TCO will mislead you.

Yes it's more expensive now upfront, but also you can keep it for much longer - so it's actually cheaper. For example, people can still play at 1080p just fine with PCs from 9 years ago (290x + i7 4770k or even older 2700k etc...)

Plus many could argue that the Steam Deck is a capable entry into PC gaming, and that's also a handheld, and it's only 419€. And that's not saying anything about cost of games going down, the f2p experiences, the deals, the freebies, the overall macro-economic conditions which make PC gaming even more attractive than ever, etc.

So rest assured prices are definitely not killing PC gaming.

I can only hope you're right.
 
It's always going to increase regardless, in particular in the current climate. 2016 is a long time ago. 4k has been silly for years cost wise for a smooth experience and arguably still is.

I'd say it was something like 2018 - 2021 that GPUs stagnated. For the midrange price/performance barely improved (or regressed), the low-end was abandoned and the high-end improved performance at the cost of higher prices (or actually inserting the upper-end of the range at new price points).

The low-end was addressed in 2022 (for the first time since 2017), but the performance uplift (when taking into account the price doubling, or worse) is very modest. The midrange is still somewhat stagnant, starting with the 3050 which is priced way too high.

I'd say CPUs were not impacted, but there was a short time that AMD were too dominant and the low-end was largely abandoned, but there were good value CPUs like the 1600 AF (maybe the 10100F/10400F can count too) and now i3-12100 which bring midrange performance at low-end prices.
 
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I think it will be fine, if you look at the steam charts majority of people are on cards that cost less than 300 quid. It may affect high end 4k gaming, but in my experience people who chase that high frame rate 4k gaming experience will pay whatever the companies are demanding. Honestly can't see anything changing at all.
 
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There are zero signs that PC gaming popularity is declining in fact it's quite the opposite. AM5 flopped hard sales wise if lovelace and raptor lake do the same Nvidia, AMD and Intel will realise they've hit a wall and reverse course.
 
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There are zero signs that PC gaming popularity is declining in fact it's quite the opposite. AM5 flopped hard sales wise if lovelace does the same Nvidia, AMD and Intel will realise they've hit a wall and reverse course.
I have noted it is a problem with people who want the next best thing, I have caught my brain doing that.
 
This is my last computer for a long time, I may even ditch gaming on PC altogether if things don't improve in the future.
Same mate . I spent a small fortune on a 12700k system with 32gb ddr5 and 8tb of nvme but kept my old 1080ti waiting for theses new cards . But I am absolutely not paying those stupid prices and think this actually may be me last gaming pc build .I can easily afford it but not being taken for a mug
 
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It's not going to kill anything. very few games require a lot of power and most gamers don't play in 4k so again, no need for that much power.
you can use 10xx, 20xx and 30xx cards with no issue whatsoever, you don't have to buy the latest and shiniest ...
 
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