Why...the question is why?

gurdas said:
When blacks stop walking down the street like 50 cent with a piece in their hip, then you'll be integrated.
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Do you have anything constructive to say? when you do, come back. I will be waiting. :)
 
ElRazur said:
You now dived into how black this and black that......Erm let me stop you for one second. This thread is about the current problem people living in this country are facing and me talking about it is not far-stretched. Im asking a series of questions and painting a picture of what i see happenning but clearly you dont see it that way.

Read the op AGAIN and come back and talk to me please.
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will carry on after mi tea. but u assert a lot of problems, and then attribute them to those u see fit to carry them. my point would be that a lot of the problems this country is facing (real problems such as Gun culture, gangsta culture etc) are not religion based and are infact propogated by other immigrant groups other than asians

re-read your first post, anf then for the majoirty of them consider different groups who are in the country;

"they get one. A better society, housing, proper public transport, a democratic society etc, but now they decide to turn on the same hand that fed them...why?"

yep why did they bring gangsta rap, and drug culture, and gun culture? i dont know.

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They refuse to integrate, instead we are seen as immoral and we should change our ways completely for them. They even belive it is their god-given right to do so, some of them refuse to work but instead prefer to live off the public funds "

some even live off illegal drug trade!

"If you dont like it here why come here? Why cant they live in peace and harmony with the fellow humans? "

because they want to sell drugs and make money?

i could go on, but i wont. but its clear that immigration is causing massive decay within the UK. how can you define the perpetrators so easily as being asian, when from my viewpoint they come from many backgrounds/
 
ElRazur said:
Do you have anything constructive to say? when you do, come back. I will be waiting. :)
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Are any of your threads constructive? This one is full of generalisations from the OP. I don't see why I should add any constructive posts to a thread as pathetic as this.

I'll be back later after i've eaten my rice and peas.
 
Nickg said:
will carry on after mi tea. but u assert a lot of problems, and then attribute them to those u see fit to carry them. my point would be that a lot of the problems this country is facing (real problems such as Gun culture, gangsta culture etc) are not religion based and are infact propogated by other immigrant groups other than asians

re-read your first post, anf then for the majoirty of them consider different groups who are in the country;

"they get one. A better society, housing, proper public transport, a democratic society etc, but now they decide to turn on the same hand that fed them...why?"

yep why did they bring gangsta rap, and drug culture, and gun culture? i dont know.

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They refuse to integrate, instead we are seen as immoral and we should change our ways completely for them. They even belive it is their god-given right to do so, some of them refuse to work but instead prefer to live off the public funds "

some even live off illegal drug trade!

"If you dont like it here why come here? Why cant they live in peace and harmony with the fellow humans? "

because they want to sell drugs and make money?

i could go on, but i wont. but its clear that immigration is causing massive decay within the UK. how can you define the perpetrators so easily as being asian, when from my viewpoint they come from many backgrounds/
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Ive never done this before but im gonna reply to the last part of your post first
.....OMGWTF are you high? At what point did i suggestted or hinted that asians are to be blamed? unless im blind, i was so shocked i had to re-read my own post again just to make sure. If anything my post was about how a particular RELIGION is been used to make life they way we did not want it to be in the UK. Perhaps you missed the bit where i said this

Bear with me, im almost done here. Why would anyone in their right mind wanna blow up planes in mid-air? This plane will contain/carrying people who practise same religion as those who blew them up in the first instance, you know....This aint a war on us or the west.....This is a war on humanity. The big question is Why? What do they plan on achieving....a world-wide domination where we go back in -time to two centuries....

And finally, with the recent event in the news, i can bet my money it is from
these same people (religion-wise)...
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Oh wait, maybe im wrong...time will tell. In the mean-time, im still asking why?
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I dont play racist card at all, i see beyond colours but i wont hesistate to speak out about religion maddness.

Now im gonna take on the rest of your post as they come.

Yes clearly their are certain crimes that have become associated with the black communities no doubt, but it will appear that you only brought this in as you seem to not understand what i said in my Op hence i wont dive into that area for now.
 
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gurdas said:
Are any of your threads constructive? This one is full of generalisations from the OP. I don't see why I should add any constructive posts to a thread as pathetic as this.

I'll be back later after i've eaten my rice and peas.
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Now that im having your attention,.. that's good. How did i made any generalisation? it is amazing how you seem to lost the plot them come out with some non-sense.....OMG i never say it coming.

Is this a generalisation?
Most bomb plot or bomb scare suspect lately are muslims
*They refuse to intergrate, abide by the law of the land etc - *Extreme one, you know- your jihadist....

I never made any generalisation, perhaps i should have used a noun (such as a name) instead of using they?
I do remember telling you that i was reffering to the extreme ones and those who wanna blow us up etc prior to this so dont come with non-sense of yours again.


By the way are you having lamb muttons with your rice and peas by any chance? Dont forget to top it up with Ginger beer too.
 
ElRazur said:
Now that im having your attention,.. that's good. How did i made any generalisation? it is amazing how you seem to lost the plot them come out with some non-sense.....OMG i never say it coming.

Is this a generalisation?
Most bomb plot or bomb scare suspect lately are muslims
*They refuse to intergrate, abide by the law of the land etc - *Extreme one, you know- your jihadist....

I never made any generalisation, perhaps i should have used a noun (such as a name) instead of using they?
I do remember telling you that i was reffering to the extreme ones and those who wanna blow us up etc prior to this so dont come with non-sense of yours again.


By the way are you having lamb muttons with your rice and peas by any chance? Dont forget to top it up with Ginger beer too.
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Oh please, you say 'they', obviously referring to muslims. It's exactly the same as saying all black people are contributing the violence and criminal activity because there are more black people in prison. Just because you try and justify it somehow by referring to a minority group doesn't make the generalisation valid..
 
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Oh please, you say 'they', obviously referring to muslims. It's exactly the same as saying all black people are contributing the violence and criminal activity because there are more black people in prison. Just because you try and justify it somehow by referring to a minority group doesn't make the generalisation valid..
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Go back and read my post if you can, I NEVER at any point mentioned that ALL MUSLIMs Im not the sort of person that try to back track on what i posted (as it can be easily looked up). Im telling you again by use of the word they i was reffering to those who refuse to play by the rules, the extremist, your average islamic jihadist, the commone people you and i know as terrorist etc.

Gurdas, perhaps the use of they pronoun they makes it looks like a sweeping generalisation but that's not what im trying to say. I honestly meant the groups/people i described above. Is like me saying all catholics father are child abusers etc.....That's wrong and not true.

Hope this clear things up. :)
 
ElRazur said:
Go back and read my post if you can, I NEVER at any point mentioned that ALL MUSLIMs Im not the sort of person that try to back track on what i posted (as it can be easily looked up). Im telling you again by use of the word they i was reffering to those who refuse to play by the rules, the extremist, your average islamic jihadist, the commone people you and i know as terrorist etc.

Gurdas, perhaps the use of they pronoun they makes it looks like a sweeping generalisation but that's not what im trying to say. I honestly meant the groups/people i described above. Is like me saying all catholics father are child abusers etc.....That's wrong and not true.

Hope this clear things up. :)
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It doesn't really because you are still generalising. All this stuff about integrating etc. a lot of them, if not all are fully integrated into society, much like that bomber who was a child support teacher. What is your purpose for this thread? All it stinks of is another muslim bashing thread, hardly new and refreshing, yet you have started 5 about the same thing in as many months.
 
gurdas said:
It doesn't really because you are still generalising. All this stuff about integrating etc. a lot of them, if not all are fully integrated into society, much like that bomber who was a child support teacher. What is your purpose for this thread? All it stinks of is another muslim bashing thread, hardly new and refreshing, yet you have started 5 about the same thing in as many months.
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You said im generalising, with what view are you making your statement, after i explained or your old view? Thanks for bringing that issue on the bomber up - If you are trying to say he's integerated by being a support teacher im not disputing that but could this be a deadly, big toothed fox amongst the sheep? my reason for say so is because, if he was FULLY INTERGRATED perhps he wouldnt have blown up people in the first place or made an after-life video.....trying to justify his actions? Perhaps im getting all this wrong again?

The purpose of this thread is me asking question that i keep turning over in my mind recently hoping people will give their insight and explanation as to why....Some did while some didnt.

This aint about bashing islam, this is about the realities of things happening and people aint talking about it for fear of being labelled racist or xenophobic (fear of someting foreign?).....I used to be a muslim, i come from what is classed here as a minorithy eithnic, i have seen first hand how islam can be used to deadly effect in Nigeria ....Now if you ask me, i think im the right person to talk about it without the fear of people labelling me.
 
ElRazur said:
You said im generalising, with what view are you making your statement, after i explained or your old view? Thanks for bringing that issue on the bomber up - If you are trying to say he's integerated by being a support teacher im not disputing that but could this be a deadly, big toothed fox amongst the sheep? my reason for say so is because, if he was FULLY INTERGRATED perhps he wouldnt have blown up people in the first place or made an after-life video.....trying to justify his actions? Perhaps im getting all this wrong again?

The purpose of this thread is me asking question that i keep turning over in my mind recently hoping people will give their insight and explanation as to why....Some did while some didnt.

This aint about bashing islam, this is about the realities of things happening and people aint talking about it for fear of being labelled racist or xenophobic (fear of someting foreign?).....I used to be a muslim, i come from what is classed here as a minorithy eithnic, i have seen first hand how islam can be used to deadly effect in Nigeria ....Now if you ask me, i think im the right person to talk about it without the fear of people labelling me.
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Of course it's Islam bashing . . dawg.

Define integration?

Does integration mean to accept values of society? Or does it mean that one, (like yourself) whom percieves integration as a way of life that you wish to enforce upon everyone else?

And why do you need an insight from someone else? Judging from your post it seems that you already have your ideas and sentiments set as concrete.

You claim that you used to be muslim? I seriously do wonder how much you knew? Are you sure it wasn't 'hip' round your end to be one during the reality? Did you accept it as blind faith? If not, i'm sure that you have an ideological argument against your generalisation. Judging upon this you're prejudice.

I'm not sure whether you're trolling or sincerely being a fool. Either way this discussion is fruitless.

You have views that you're not willing to change and/or challenege, why even try to start a worthy discussion?

The majority of your posts are flawed/pathetic. You assume things yet you have no idea?
 
ElRazur said:
Ive never done this before but im gonna reply to the last part of your post first
.....OMGWTF are you high? At what point did i suggestted or hinted that asians are to be blamed? unless im blind, i was so shocked i had to re-read my own post again just to make sure. If anything my post was about how a particular RELIGION is been used to make life they way we did not want it to be in the UK. Perhaps you missed the bit where i said this

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okay my mistake - the to whom are u addressing your post? who are "their" forefathers? where are they from? which holy city? who wanted to bomb our planes?

i may have jumped the gun, but i doubt it.
 
dark_shadow said:
Of course it's Islam bashing . . dawg.

Define integration?

Does integration mean to accept values of society? Or does it mean that one, (like yourself) whom percieves integration as a way of life that you wish to enforce upon everyone else?

And why do you need an insight from someone else? Judging from your post it seems that you already have your ideas and sentiments set as concrete.?
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No it isnt! Im guessing you are one of those people who cant discuss issues affecting a race without without calling someone racist?
If talking about the extremes of islam is bashing it then i guess im guilty.

Here is a definition from google, if that helps
The act or process of integrating.
The state of becoming integrated.
The bringing of people of different racial or ethnic groups into unrestricted and equal association, as in society or an organization; desegregation.
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Can you point me to where im forcing my view of integration on someone else? If my statement i made regarding "integrate or find alternatives" is what you have in mind, im afraid i was expecting something better from you. Whether you come out with something in that respect remain to be seen.

You claim that you used to be muslim? I seriously do wonder how much you knew? Are you sure it wasn't 'hip' round your end to be one during the reality? Did you accept it as blind faith? If not, i'm sure that you have an ideological argument against your generalisation. Judging upon this you're prejudice.

I'm not sure whether you're trolling or sincerely being a fool. Either way this discussion is fruitless.

You have views that you're not willing to change and/or challenege, why even try to start a worthy discussion?

The majority of your posts are flawed/pathetic. You assume things yet you have no idea?
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I suppose this is the part where i prove my knowledge of how islamic i was? Before i do that, i have a question for you - are you a muslim brother?
Yet another poster coming out all gun blazing without seeing what im about. Since it appeared that you missed it, here - I DIDNT MAKE ANY GENERALISATION ABOUT MUSLIMS!. (better?)
My view so far has been about what is happening in our society and clearly i think it is a taboo of some sort to discuss Islam right? so you result to saying im been prejudice about what im saying when imv (in my view) i dont see it that way and others seem to share it too, perhaps they are trolling and have a flawed view according to your ramblings so far.

Please point out the flaws and i will show you the principle/idea you refuse to see.
 
I always thought El was a pakistani muslim who hates himself....whats up El, its easy for you to "criticise" others but when your race and its huge downsides are brought up along its hard to accept huh? Typical, people enjoy using a loose mouth (or hands in this case) but when things get chucked back its not right...get what you give homie!
 
Nickg said:
okay my mistake - the to whom are u addressing your post? who are "their" forefathers? where are they from? which holy city? who wanted to bomb our planes?

i may have jumped the gun, but i doubt it.
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Their forefathers - People who are british but have a differernt origins e.g me

Where are they from - im from Nigeria, some are from somewhere else, other come from main land europe...all over the world.

Holy city - Mecca, Churches are not allowed (FACT), and i challenge any muslim brother on the forum to prove otherwise.

Who wanted to bomb the planes - Plenty of them, The shoe bomber? ....Oh let's wait till police release details of those arrested this morning.

Are you expecting me to say muslims? well i wont, not all muslims are terrorist but why does it so happens most of the cases we know so far, one way or the other invole someone practising Islam? coincidence?
 
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zain said:
I always thought El was a pakistani muslim who hates himself....whats up El, its easy for you to "criticise" others but when your race and its huge downsides are brought up along its hard to accept huh? Typical, people enjoy using a loose mouth (or hands in this case) but when things get chucked back its not right...get what you give homie!
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Wassup Zain? My sig says im Black!

If this is a thread about Nigerian Scam, im more than happy to join in simple. At the end of the day, Nigeria host loads of scammers FACT and if people wanna talk about it, i wont accuse them of racism.

Please make a thread about black on black crime and watch me contribute without employing double standards.

I aint give anything and i more than happy to debate. People cant seem to do so without accusing you or trying to bring in irrelevant stuff.
 
Anyone read todays paper yet?

All indication so far is showing that this guys are young british muslim.....very sad. :(

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Why do they ALL practise Islam and not christainity, Sikh, Buddahism, judaism or scientology?
 
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Hehe, I always find reading posts from El is like picking random words from a dictionary and then piecing them into a sentenance :)

-RaZ
 
ElRazur said:
Anyone read todays paper yet?

All indication so far is showing that this guys are young british muslim.....very sad. :(

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Why do they ALL practise Islam and not christainity, Sikh, Buddahism, judaism or scientology?
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Why who? The current wave of Suicide bombers?

Why do they follow the muslim faith, probably indoctrination from their birth. Unlike modern christinaity i guess being a modern muslim still has a lot more focuss on ritual and praayer than being the jesus freak.

These young british muslims are just nutjobs. And not even part of britihs society, braught up in their community with very little exposure to the surrounding culture. Not entirely their fault with all the racist brits arround aswell. Combine that with working class stereotypes unemployment and media hype on both sides. Got nothing really happening in your life? and some oldskool iman preeching hate and its easy to see why they get sucked up into it all. No more than some idiots vote and join the BNP.
 
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