Why the Xbox 360 will win the console war.

As a sidenote of the article.... Sony is running a 10-year lifecycle on the PS3? Is it just me or is that a very long time considering how quickly hardware advances? Just think of what sort of graphics etc PCs will be capable of in 2016/2017!
 
Dolph said:
Attach rates would tend to say different, as the Wii is also selling more games per console than either of the others. The key point you're possibly missing is that the Wii has a much larger target audience. The stereotypical hardcore gamer may not like the wii that much, but the casual gamer loves it, and there's a lot more casual gamers than hardcore ones.
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hmmm, i don't know many hardcore gamers, but all the casual gamers (i know) are quickly bored to death by the wii, perhaps it sells more games because they are cheaper, or because they are quite rubbish so you buy the next one in vain hope of it being better (okay, all the first party ones are quite good :))

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Oh, and we have a Wii as our only console, so you can add that to the list. Any other games we want to play get played on the PC anyway.
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i used to have quite a decent spec PC, far better then most of the mainstream population would have, games for PC are going down hill, they're losing replayabilty and are, more and more, just becomming terrible ports of console games. i traded my PC for a laptop and a (second) 360 and haven't looked back.

so you do agree your wii is only as an attachment to something else, in this case your PC
 
bringerofdecay said:
the 360 is already the winner of this gen, perhaps not by sales but by the fact that microsoft is in a far better position in the console market, their user base has grown exponentially and that will have an effect on the following generation. they've done their job, they've proven that they can make a good, solid console and can support it well (and acknowledge their faults and take steps to fix them), the games are good, and there is a great selection, live, although it costs IS the best online console service in place and they've done their job at securing additional content for new games (looks at GTA IV).
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Has the 360 sold more than the original Xbox yet? Until it does, I wouldn't say that it's had that much of an expansion of it's user base. Unfortunately, that's in spite of it clearly offering a fantastic package all-round.

Dolph said:
Attach rates would tend to say different, as the Wii is also selling more games per console than either of the others. The key point you're possibly missing is that the Wii has a much larger target audience. The stereotypical hardcore gamer may not like the wii that much, but the casual gamer loves it, and there's a lot more casual gamers than hardcore ones.

Oh, and we have a Wii as our only console, so you can add that to the list. Any other games we want to play get played on the PC anyway.
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I can only afford a Wii, but I'm quite happy with the selection of 'hard-core' games available on it alongside the more casual ones. I have access (occasionally) to the 360 and PS3 so I get to play those lovely looking HD games too, though :)

The PS3, I think, will continue to sell solidly. I've said long before it's release that despite everything, there'll be a massive percentage of PS2 owners who'll pick one up. And with there being 100m+ of them...
 
bringerofdecay said:
hmmm, i don't know many hardcore gamers, but all the casual gamers (i know) are quickly bored to death by the wii, perhaps it sells more games because they are cheaper, or because they are quite rubbish so you buy the next one in vain hope of it being better (okay, all the first party ones are quite good :))
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Sounds like you're overanalysing to try and get the result you want. The bottom line is that wii hardware and software sales are hugely ahead of the other two. The reasons why aren't that important.

i used to have quite a decent spec PC, far better then most of the mainstream population would have, games for PC are going down hill, they're losing replayabilty and are, more and more, just becomming terrible ports of console games. i traded my PC for a laptop and a (second) 360 and haven't looked back.

so you do agree your wii is only as an attachment to something else, in this case your PC
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I do different things with the two systems, so it's like arguing my car is an attachment to my PC. The type of games we play on the Wii are different to the type of games we play on the PC, I wouldn't want to be without either of them. That's a contrast to the 360 and PS3, where the games are pretty much the same as the ones I play on the PC (less mmporpgs) which is why I don't own either of them at the moment.
 
bringerofdecay said:
Microsoft is in a far better position in the console market, their user base has grown exponentially and that will have an effect on the following generation.
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Agreed. I think Microsoft has done the best job 'this generation'. Aside from the 360 failures, they've made by far the most advances/innovations and really pushed the envelope causing Sony to get off their asses and respond. I think the PS3 wouldn't be as good as it is without Microsoft's really strong competition.

Nintendo have basically reboxed a gamecube and added a very good motion sensing controller. Add a handful of decent 1st party titles.

Sony have massively improved upon the PS2s tech specs, added a half-hearted online system in response to Xbox Live, tacked motion sensing onto their controllers in response to the Wii (but kept the original PS1/2 pad design).

Microsoft have released a console that is (tech-specs wise) as good as and/or better than the PS3, and released a year before. They've evolved Live into an unbeatable online community centre, all the little innovative additions such as gamerscore, MP3 in any game, non-game-specific private chat, secured tons of top quality 1st and 3rd party games and taken a big slice of Sony's pie they had with the PS2 v Xbox war.

NOTE that I'm not saying either console is better. I'm saying that I think MS have made the most progress. Don't get your fanboy knickers in a twist!
 
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L33 said:
...taken a big slice of Sony's pie they had with the PS2 v Xbox war.
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As I said before though, they've yet to outsell the original Xbox. Until the next lot of consoles are out it's hard to say that they've captured a large slice of pie or not. We may end up with 30m 360's sold which wouldn't be much of a gain on their last effort if Sony get anywhere near what they sold last gen. Nintendo are being very greedy eating a lot of the pie at the moment!
 
Dolph said:
Sounds like you're overanalysing to try and get the result you want. The bottom line is that wii hardware and software sales are hugely ahead of the other two. The reasons why aren't that important.
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I thought the 360 was actually doing quite well, and certainly upthere with the Wii in terms of overall game revenue? They have to be close, if you approximate the 360 having twice the attach rate, with half the consoles...

But the Wii is the standout console this generation, for whatever reasons we care not to understand, it's flying off shelves and can only be described as as a run away success...
 
Personally i think that the 360 will win the console war in the USA but sony have a very loyal fanbase here in europe, although i have no idea why as they treat us like carp,

The japanese also hate the 360 so not much chance of that winning there,

If MS can sell enough consoles in america to balance out the ps3 advantage in EU/JP then they may have a chance
 
My only hope is that MS and Sony don't see how successful Nintendo have been and go down the Wii route, it's a great toy but it's not a games console that appeals to me.

The Wii hardware is selling insanely well, but 90% of the games on that thing are pure shovelware, The 360 is selling great in the USA and UK, the PS3 is selling great in Japan and the rest of Europe, I think it will be pretty neck and neck between MS and Sony.
 
Inoshishi said:
My only hope is that MS and Sony don't see how successful Nintendo have been and go down the Wii route, it's a great toy but it's not a games console that appeals to me.
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I agree with you whole heartedly, unfortunately by the looks of another new thread it's the way things will probably go.
 
i haven't really looked at the suggested sales figures in a while, but after having a gander and nexgenwars there really isn't much between the 360 and the wii, whereas the PS3 is lagging way in the rear
 
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How many people who bought a Wii, would buy another console like it? My guess is many people bought it to try as it was something 'new', realised it wasn't all it was cracked up to be, and won't make the same mistake in future. I think conventional consoles like PS3/360 are here to stay.
 
dirtydog said:
How many people who bought a Wii, would buy another console like it? My guess is many people bought it to try as it was something 'new', realised it wasn't all it was cracked up to be, and won't make the same mistake in future. I think conventional consoles like PS3/360 are here to stay.
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I would. There's also nothing to stop developers making conventional games on the Wii either really with remote + nunchuck/classic controller(although the button count is slightly on the low side I 'spose.)
 
bringerofdecay said:
i haven't really looked at the suggested sales figures in a while, but after having a gander and nexgenwars there really isn't much between the 360 and the wii, whereas the PS3 is lagging way in the rear
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Dont ever look at next gen wars for console sales lol! Wait till next week when Sony announce their sales figures for the last year/quarter, both MS and Nintendo had theres a few weeks ago so then we will have a far better idea of sales to store (no one tracks 100% to consumers). VGchartz is with 5-10% normally so there a pretty good estimate, but even NPD has a good deal off guesswork involved, so its best to stick with the company stats instead.
 
msmalls74 said:
Dont ever look at next gen wars for console sales lol! Wait till next week when Sony announce their sales figures for the last year/quarter, both MS and Nintendo had theres a few weeks ago so then we will have a far better idea of sales to store (no one tracks 100% to consumers). VGchartz is with 5-10% normally so there a pretty good estimate, but even NPD has a good deal off guesswork involved, so its best to stick with the company stats instead.
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Games companies are the worst for giving figures, "We "shipped" 24518645835656 consoles therefore we win" but most of these are sitting in warehouses (as the ps3 consoles were after the first ps3 sales announcement)

*edit* but nexgenwars really can't be trusted either, there is no way the 360 is only 2 million consoles behind wii
 
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