Wierd GTA 5 performance issues

Cavallino · 26 Apr 2020 at 20:38

Folks, I just recently upgraded to a 2080 Ti, and I thought Id run the old GTA 5 Bench...

I noticed I had bench results from 2 years ago for my 1070 as well...

The thing is... for kicks I tried to set my rig up the same way I did for the test I did back in 2018 with the 1070....

But the results were startling in that I wasnt getting better performance out of the 2080...
If anything it is worse...

So Im at a bit of a loss really on this....

(3dmark benches are in line with 2080 results circa 11k on Time Spy).

Any idea or thoughts folks?

1070:

Frames Per Second (Higher is better) Min, Max, Avg
Pass 0, 49.662678, 105.239975, 86.694031
Pass 1, 55.763763, 109.931305, 83.648338
Pass 2, 42.200981, 146.789093, 93.427513
Pass 3, 73.392975, 142.332977, 111.852180
Pass 4, 26.735374, 141.502136, 88.103958

Time in milliseconds(ms). (Lower is better). Min, Max, Avg
Pass 0, 9.502092, 20.135845, 11.534820
Pass 1, 9.096590, 17.932793, 11.954810
Pass 2, 6.812495, 23.696131, 10.703485
Pass 3, 7.025779, 13.625282, 8.940372
Pass 4, 7.067031, 37.403629, 11.350228

Frames under 16ms (for 60fps):
Pass 0: 809/815 frames (99.26%)
Pass 1: 771/784 frames (98.34%)
Pass 2: 862/865 frames (99.65%)
Pass 3: 1046/1046 frames (100.00%)
Pass 4: 9677/9976 frames (97.00%)

Frames under 33ms (for 30fps):
Pass 0: 815/815 frames (100.00%)
Pass 1: 784/784 frames (100.00%)
Pass 2: 865/865 frames (100.00%)
Pass 3: 1046/1046 frames (100.00%)
Pass 4: 9975/9976 frames (99.99%)

=== SYSTEM ===
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (6.2, Build 9200)
DX Feature Level: 11.0
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.5GHz
16384MB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070, 8480MB, Driver Version 398.11
Graphics Card Vendor Id 0x10de with Device ID 0x1b81

=== SETTINGS ===
Display: 1920x1200 (FullScreen) @ 59Hz VSync OFF
Tessellation: 3
LodScale: 1.000000
PedLodBias: 0.200000
VehicleLodBias: 0.000000
ShadowQuality: 2
ReflectionQuality: 2
ReflectionMSAA: 8
SSAO: 2
AnisotropicFiltering: 16
MSAA: 2
MSAAFragments: 0
MSAAQuality: 0
SamplingMode: 0
TextureQuality: 2
ParticleQuality: 2
WaterQuality: 2
GrassQuality: 3
ShaderQuality: 2
Shadow_SoftShadows: 3
UltraShadows_Enabled: true
Shadow_ParticleShadows: true
Shadow_Distance: 1.000000
Shadow_LongShadows: true
Shadow_SplitZStart: 0.930000
Shadow_SplitZEnd: 0.890000
Shadow_aircraftExpWeight: 0.990000
Shadow_DisableScreenSizeCheck: false
Reflection_MipBlur: true
FXAA_Enabled: true
TXAA_Enabled: false
Lighting_FogVolumes: true
Shader_SSA: true
DX_Version: 2
CityDensity: 1.000000
PedVarietyMultiplier: 1.000000
VehicleVarietyMultiplier: 1.000000
PostFX: 3
DoF: true
HdStreamingInFlight: true
MaxLodScale: 0.000000
MotionBlurStrength: 0.300000

2080:

Frames Per Second (Higher is better) Min, Max, Avg
Pass 0, 34.744057, 78.372978, 60.356857
Pass 1, 30.298256, 81.114189, 60.733433
Pass 2, 38.276485, 81.554764, 60.628880
Pass 3, 14.566939, 116.944016, 60.545155
Pass 4, 33.327000, 97.782295, 60.452713

Time in milliseconds(ms). (Lower is better). Min, Max, Avg
Pass 0, 12.759500, 28.781900, 16.568125
Pass 1, 12.328300, 33.005199, 16.465395
Pass 2, 12.261700, 26.125700, 16.493790
Pass 3, 8.551100, 68.648598, 16.516598
Pass 4, 10.226800, 30.005701, 16.541855

Frames under 16ms (for 60fps):
Pass 0: 193/564 frames (34.22%)
Pass 1: 221/567 frames (38.98%)
Pass 2: 211/567 frames (37.21%)
Pass 3: 209/553 frames (37.79%)
Pass 4: 2546/6941 frames (36.68%)

Frames under 33ms (for 30fps):
Pass 0: 564/564 frames (100.00%)
Pass 1: 566/567 frames (99.82%)
Pass 2: 567/567 frames (100.00%)
Pass 3: 547/553 frames (98.92%)
Pass 4: 6941/6941 frames (100.00%)

=== SYSTEM ===
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (6.2, Build 9200)
DX Feature Level: 11.0
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.5GHz
16384MB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, 11584MB, Driver Version 445.87
Graphics Card Vendor Id 0x10de with Device ID 0x1e07

=== SETTINGS ===
Display: 1920x1200 (FullScreen) @ 59Hz VSync OFF
Tessellation: 3
LodScale: 1.000000
PedLodBias: 0.200000
VehicleLodBias: 0.000000
ShadowQuality: 2
ReflectionQuality: 2
ReflectionMSAA: 8
SSAO: 1
AnisotropicFiltering: 16
MSAA: 2
MSAAFragments: 0
MSAAQuality: 0
SamplingMode: 0
TextureQuality: 2
ParticleQuality: 2
WaterQuality: 2
GrassQuality: 3
ShaderQuality: 2
Shadow_SoftShadows: 2
UltraShadows_Enabled: true
Shadow_ParticleShadows: true
Shadow_Distance: 1.000000
Shadow_LongShadows: true
Shadow_SplitZStart: 0.930000
Shadow_SplitZEnd: 0.890000
Shadow_aircraftExpWeight: 0.990000
Shadow_DisableScreenSizeCheck: false
Reflection_MipBlur: true
FXAA_Enabled: true
TXAA_Enabled: false
Lighting_FogVolumes: true
Shader_SSA: true
DX_Version: 2
CityDensity: 1.000000
PedVarietyMultiplier: 1.000000
VehicleVarietyMultiplier: 1.000000
PostFX: 3
DoF: true
HdStreamingInFlight: true
MaxLodScale: 0.000000
MotionBlurStrength: 0.300000

andy_mk3 · 26 Apr 2020 at 20:42

Your SSAO and SoftShadow settings are different, that could be a factor.

Cavallino · 26 Apr 2020 at 20:43

Yep saw that and didnt both running it thinking that the 1070 settings would be more severe I think...
Ill run it to make sure like for like though... (its a fair comment by yourself bud).

andy_mk3 · 26 Apr 2020 at 20:55

Cavallino said:
Yep saw that and didnt both running it thinking that the 1070 settings would be more severe I think...
Ill run it to make sure like for like though... (its a fair comment by yourself bud).

Also check that your CPU and GPU clock speeds are going up to where they should, as well as checking temperatures and utilisation. I seem to remember having really poor GPU utilisation in GTA5 some time ago.

Cavallino · 26 Apr 2020 at 20:59

Youve hit the nail on the head bud, thanks.
GPU and CPU are both around 50% utilisation through the bench....

Question is why?

andy_mk3 · 26 Apr 2020 at 21:23

That is odd. I really want to say you're CPU bottlenecked, but there's no way you should lose performance from a GPU upgrade at the same settings.

Have you tried a bench with the settings cranked? Just see if it loads up the GPU more?

Cavallino · 26 Apr 2020 at 21:36

Thanks again bud... so I whacked up to full resolution and more AA plus max settings on most things...
GPU was hitting 93% and CPU was lingering around 50-67%.

So to me the below suggests that the game seems to not use the full potential of the GPU... unless you tax the GPU?

Would a reinstall of the game help or is this the nature of the game?

Frames Per Second (Higher is better) Min, Max, Avg
Pass 0, 4.977673, 84.816917, 66.210442
Pass 1, 9.458724, 77.344307, 54.571083
Pass 2, 9.468728, 105.460754, 67.472046
Pass 3, 10.163138, 133.246277, 81.042107
Pass 4, 9.535651, 127.356087, 67.223755

Time in milliseconds(ms). (Lower is better). Min, Max, Avg
Pass 0, 11.790101, 200.897110, 15.103358
Pass 1, 12.929200, 105.722504, 18.324724
Pass 2, 9.482201, 105.610809, 14.820952
Pass 3, 7.504900, 98.394806, 12.339265
Pass 4, 7.852000, 104.869606, 14.875694

Frames under 16ms (for 60fps):
Pass 0: 441/614 frames (71.82%)
Pass 1: 79/500 frames (15.80%)
Pass 2: 336/613 frames (54.81%)
Pass 3: 730/749 frames (97.46%)
Pass 4: 4200/7528 frames (55.79%)

Frames under 33ms (for 30fps):
Pass 0: 612/614 frames (99.67%)
Pass 1: 495/500 frames (99.00%)
Pass 2: 609/613 frames (99.35%)
Pass 3: 747/749 frames (99.73%)
Pass 4: 7525/7528 frames (99.96%)

=== SYSTEM ===
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (6.2, Build 9200)
DX Feature Level: 11.0
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.5GHz
16384MB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti, 11584MB, Driver Version 445.87
Graphics Card Vendor Id 0x10de with Device ID 0x1e07

=== SETTINGS ===
Display: 3840x1600 (FullScreen) @ 143Hz VSync OFF
Tessellation: 3
LodScale: 1.000000
PedLodBias: 0.200000
VehicleLodBias: 0.000000
ShadowQuality: 3
ReflectionQuality: 3
ReflectionMSAA: 8
SSAO: 2
AnisotropicFiltering: 16
MSAA: 2
MSAAFragments: 0
MSAAQuality: 0
SamplingMode: 0
TextureQuality: 2
ParticleQuality: 2
WaterQuality: 2
GrassQuality: 3
ShaderQuality: 2
Shadow_SoftShadows: 3
UltraShadows_Enabled: true
Shadow_ParticleShadows: true
Shadow_Distance: 1.500000
Shadow_LongShadows: true
Shadow_SplitZStart: 0.930000
Shadow_SplitZEnd: 0.890000
Shadow_aircraftExpWeight: 0.990000
Shadow_DisableScreenSizeCheck: false
Reflection_MipBlur: true
FXAA_Enabled: false
TXAA_Enabled: true
Lighting_FogVolumes: true
Shader_SSA: true
DX_Version: 2
CityDensity: 1.000000
PedVarietyMultiplier: 1.000000
VehicleVarietyMultiplier: 1.000000
PostFX: 3
DoF: true
HdStreamingInFlight: true
MaxLodScale: 0.500000
MotionBlurStrength: 0.500000

andy_mk3 · 26 Apr 2020 at 21:45

Interesting. GTA5 is an odd one. If you search for low CPU/GPU usage there's absolutely tons of posts about it. Looks like you are getting pretty good performance with it cranked though and it's making much better use of your GPU there.

Cavallino · 26 Apr 2020 at 21:58

Yep seems like it which kinda tells me that the bench for GTA is not going to be apples for apples even when using same settings.

Thanks for your help bud. You've saved me a lot of agro.

andy_mk3 · 26 Apr 2020 at 22:01

No problem! I remember having a low GPU usage in the past myself and don't really remember what fixed it, but I think that was on older hardware anyway.

Parky · 26 Apr 2020 at 22:26

Interesting, I remember losing performance when I upgraded from a 2500k setup to a 5930k setup, both using the same SLI 980tis. I've not really played the game for a while but had picked up a 2080ti last year, running the benchmark I get similar results, mid 60s average and poor usage across the board. The game must not like certain configurations by the looks of things.

Cavallino · 26 Apr 2020 at 22:29

Interesting to know Parky, thanks for corroborating, thought I was going spare.

Parky · 26 Apr 2020 at 22:33

Turning off the graphical options in the advanced tab just gave a massive increase, perhaps a setting in there that doesn't agree with the new cards?

Cavallino · 26 Apr 2020 at 22:34

Which setting exactly Parky?

Parky · 26 Apr 2020 at 22:39

I had long shadows, Hi res shadows and a few notches on the extended scaling slider. I removed those, Turned off MSAA in the standard options and now it's running very smooth.

Cavallino · 26 Apr 2020 at 22:43

Ok will give it a whirl.

What FPS were you getting before and now with these settings off?

Parky · 26 Apr 2020 at 22:51

It's not saving my logs so having to go by eye, originally I was getting lows in the 50s, max of 80s and and average of mid 60s.

It's now lows in the 100s, max in the 180s and probably average well over 120fps.

Cavallino · 26 Apr 2020 at 22:51

Blimey what a difference.... will give it a whirl for sure.

Cavallino · 26 Apr 2020 at 23:49

Just tried it... certainly improved it but not by the same magnitude as above.
What you running rig wise Parky?

SkeeterUK · 27 Apr 2020 at 01:56

On my 670 i got far smoother fps with adaptive sync on in nvidia panel. Dunno if thats any help. Also you could try setting gtav exe to high priority in task man.

Plus when you had a 1070 that was awhile ago, im sure updates adding more stuff or what not has effected it to prevent a good comparison between cards by now and drivers. Tho for sure ud expect better so i dunno. Maybe some shadowplay or gfe is interfering perhaps?

Also in your info it lists this "Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (6.2, Build 9200)" which isnt win 10 given the version it says but win 8. Are you on win 10 if so make sure you up to the latest version as it would be best for making the hardware work best for games.

Also your using 2x pcie cables from the psu to the card pcie leads and not one cable with two ends are you?

Btw msaa is a big hit, using fxaa and txaa with slider up would be just as good but lower performance impact.