Wikileaks - latest leak

I don't know how true all of this is, but on the radio on the way home today they were talking about the fate of Bradley Manning, the US soldier accused of leaking all this material to wikileaks in the first place. Now for sure, if the accusations are true he's broken the law and needs to face the consequences (as opposed to Assange who I can't see has broken any laws in the US), but these are the conditions Manning's people allege he's being kept in at the US Marine Corps brig:

- 24 hour solitary confinement
- under 24 hour camera surveillance
- no pillow
- no bed sheets
- not allowed to exercise, if he for example does press-ups in his cell the guards come on the loudspeaker and tell him to stop
- no books or other reading material
- no contact with any other prisoners
- he is not on suicide watch

He's been kept like this for months and has not been found guilty of a crime. I don't care what crime you have done, or are alleged to have done - this is a despicable way of treating another human being. Wikileaks have not confirmed Manning as their source, but have so far not fulfilled a pledge to contribute to Manning's defence fund.
 
sanaxe1 said:
answer the question... and ill answer yours.
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Ask a question based on my assertion that information pertaining to individuals who, like many of our servicemen, act with extreme valour in difficult situations gathering the information that keeps you and your family safe and that their identities should be protected.

Not some extreme example based on actions I do not support (rendition) and I would and have supported being released.
 
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scorza said:
I don't know how true all of this is, but on the radio on the way home today they were talking about the fate of Bradley Manning, the US soldier accused of leaking all this material to wikileaks in the first place. Now for sure, if the accusations are true he's broken the law and needs to face the consequences (as opposed to Assange who I can't see has broken any laws in the US), but these are the conditions Manning's people allege he's being kept in at the US Marine Corps brig:

- 24 hour solitary confinement
- under 24 hour camera surveillance
- no pillow
- no bed sheets
- not allowed to exercise, if he for example does press-ups in his cell the guards come on the loudspeaker and tell him to stop
- no books or other reading material
- no contact with any other prisoners
- he is not on suicide watch

He's been kept like this for months and has not been found guilty of a crime. I don't care what crime you have done, or are alleged to have done - this is a despicable way of treating another human being. Wikileaks have not confirmed Manning as their source, but have so far not fulfilled a pledge to contribute to Manning's defence fund.
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If it is true, it is wrong.
 
Castiel said:
Ask a question based on my assertion that information pertaining to individuals who, like many of our servicemen, act with extreme valour in difficult situations gathering the information that keeps you and your family safe and that their identities should be protected.

Not some extreme example based on something I would support being released.
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So because it affects you you would support it. How about :

WikiLeaks cables: India accused of systematic use of torture in Kashmir
Beatings and electric shocks inflicted on hundreds of civilians detained in Kashmir, US diplomats in Delhi told by ICRC

The ICRC staff told the US diplomats they had made 177 visits to detention centres in Jammu and Kashmir and elsewhere in India between 2002 and 2004, and had met 1,491 detainees. They had been able to interview 1,296 privately.

In 852 cases, the detainees reported ill-treatment, the ICRC said. A total of 171 described being beaten and 681 said they had been subjected to one or more of six forms of torture.

These included 498 on which electricity had been used, 381 who had been suspended from the ceiling, 294 who had muscles crushed in their legs by prison personnel sitting on a bar placed across their thighs, 181 whose legs had been stretched by being "split 180 degrees", 234 tortured with water and 302 "sexual" cases, the ICRC were reported to have told the Americans.
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Do the families of these people deserve to know this happened or why?
 
Depends if the detention centres now deny the ICRC access to the detainees making things worse for them, and if the detainees are punished foe telling them.
 
scorza said:
Wikileaks have not confirmed Manning as their source, but have so far not fulfilled a pledge to contribute to Manning's defence fund.
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That's not great, though to be fair they've lost access to most of their funds as they all got closed down.
 
sanaxe1 said:
So because it affects you you would support it.
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No not because it affects me at all, but because it is wrong and it's mighty disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise.

Answer this....

The school your child attends is targeted by a terrorist cell, the information is attained by an operative under cover within the cell, the cell is arrested and then subjected to interrogation which produces the information which averts the death of your and others children....

Should that operatives details be released, just to satisfy someone's ego and the media's quest for news.
 
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Castiel said:
No not because it affects me at all, but because it is wrong. Now answer my question.
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Well thats it right there , "because its wrong" well look at the leaks the majority of what it says are "wrong".


As for extremes it was aimed at your " OK. so all covert ops should be released should they?" You jumped to the extreme end of the scale of possible choices.
 
sanaxe1 said:
Well thats it right there , "because its wrong" well look at the leaks the majority of what it says are "wrong".


As for extremes it was aimed at your " OK. so all covert ops should be released should they?" You jumped to the extreme end of the scale of possible choices.
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We were discussing the secret stash that Assange claims to have, this is why it was relevant.

A lot of what wikileaks is currently releasing is pointless, they should have stuck to stuff that NEEDS to be in the public domain such as the Kenyan Expose, and the Camp Delta leaks.

They should not be releasing the minutiae of diplomatic discourse or threats of superleaks and the information which could lead to the identities of operatives.
 
Castiel said:
Jeez, just think about it for a little while. Sometimes the world is not quite as clear cut as you seem to think. I have never broken the law or done anything to be embarrassed about, however can you not see that not all the necessary actions needed to keep you and your family safe and secure are fit for public consumption, and that there are groups in the world who would love to track down the person who put a bullet in their brother Tariq the Terrorist.:rolleyes:
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Thats how the "other side" justify themselves too.
 
according to various press outlets:

The WikiLeaks founder's Swedish legal team is planning to file a complaint demanding that authorities investigate the leaking of police materials on the Assange investigation to a British newspaper.
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"I do not know who has given these documents to the media, but the purpose can only be one thing -- trying to make Julian look bad," Bjorn Hurtig, Assange's lead lawyer, told the Australian.
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POT-KETTLE-BLACK???

Oh the ironing..

My opinion on these "news" can be summed up by the Raw's article here
http://www.writingintheraw.com/diary/375/the-irony-the-irony-assange-protests-leak-about-him
 
yeah I just saw that this morning...you have to laugh at their 'outrage and concern'
 
scorza said:
I don't know how true all of this is, but on the radio on the way home today they were talking about the fate of Bradley Manning, the US soldier accused of leaking all this material to wikileaks in the first place. Now for sure, if the accusations are true he's broken the law and needs to face the consequences (as opposed to Assange who I can't see has broken any laws in the US), but these are the conditions Manning's people allege he's being kept in at the US Marine Corps brig:

- 24 hour solitary confinement
- under 24 hour camera surveillance
- no pillow
- no bed sheets
- not allowed to exercise, if he for example does press-ups in his cell the guards come on the loudspeaker and tell him to stop
- no books or other reading material
- no contact with any other prisoners
- he is not on suicide watch

He's been kept like this for months and has not been found guilty of a crime. I don't care what crime you have done, or are alleged to have done - this is a despicable way of treating another human being. Wikileaks have not confirmed Manning as their source, but have so far not fulfilled a pledge to contribute to Manning's defence fund.
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He is still under Army control though, so I guess they can do what they want with him. No?
 
It would be awesome if they had cables on the $2.3 trillion that went missing.
But that was a few years back so I doubt it :(
 
Surfer said:
Hi i missed this. What information was Assange complaining about that was leaked?
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mmj_uk said:
I think he's more interested in exposing the governments/police dirty tricks rather than protecting his own privacy.
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I quoted the bits from the article about his solicitor's statements, that's what I was referring to.

It's funny how they are enraged to find out leaks of the case going out to the press, considering what their client is being vilified for.
 
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