Except those concerned about the price.
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karlpilkington4PM said:
Heh!
mojo_navigator said:
will blue ray ever become mainstream?
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Except those concerned about the price.
Heh!
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joe public could give a monkey about quality. it's all about gimmicks and marketing therefore streaming is better. why do you think they all bought expensive LCD TV's when superior quality plasmas could be had for 1/4 of the price?
the latest 4k LEDs look superior to Plasmas and by quite a long way....but only because Plasmas died 2 years ago, it would be interesting to see what the latest Panasonic plasma looked like if it was still around.............so sad.
the same goes for the RPTV as well
everyone switched to LCDs because of the BS hype and by God they looked rubbish 3 years ago......but not now, they look miles better.
the Sony 65'' 4k i saw today was a ``tamed`` down 4k, without the latest SUHD gimmicky stuff, i swear to you it's one of the best images i've ever seen, it was just like a VT65 Plasma........so the Technology is definitely there.
Actually this is exactly why there isnt a high quality streaming service.
The infrastructure in England is highly limited, even with a 100MB service its not reliable enough to even do HD iPlayer most of the time (without it stuttering and failing) so I dread to think what majority of people on sub 20MB services get - which in theory should be enough for consistantly good streaming
Also HiDef audio streaming is expensive enough, NetFlix is pretty expensive for little 4k content - so little content available at proper HD quality the services can charge what they like.
People also forget to think about what happens if your Netflix or other supplier changes their content when a particular license expires - there go (potentially) a lot of what you are paying for.
Nothing like having the physical disk - can play it no matter what without interrruption, and even if your br player breaks you can buy another for less than £50 these days (or similar kind of "pocket money").
Given that BR's are now stocked in tesco metros (tiny stores on a lot of street corners , not just the big mega stores) its pretty mainstream already
Then they get home and complain their streaming service becomes unwatchable because they are scaling it up to 65" from SD.....
edit - also its not just about the old BR disks in 4k (as there will always be a smaller and smaller upgrade cycle apart from future users/buyers, but its the new films that havent come out yet on BR /DVD at all that could create the need. FFS even The Abyss and several other "big" films from years/ decades ago have never been released on BR yet.
Honestly think there will be a place for physical media for quite some time to come (years and probably even decades)
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no LCD will ever come close to VT65B
LCD technology is severely limited. IPS panels are great but then they get ridiculously expensive the bigger you make them and then you won't get them at high refresh rates. the technology hasn't changed much at all tbh, minor improvements. they only just released a 3D IPS gaming monitor recently or one will be launched this year but even then it will be 24" not big enough for tv use.
LCD has many many forms, VA, TN, IPS, etc. The only one that can compete with plasma is IPS and afaik not many TV's use that type of panel.
a 27" decent IPS costs £899
http://www.digitalcameraworld.com/2014/10/20/best-monitor-for-photo-editing/
4K sets are also nowhere near the quality of plasma unless it's OLED.
look at any review on AVforums my GT50 spanks every LCD there is 4K or not. therefore there is no way you have seen one better than a VT65
the ones i've seen on 4K are easily as good as my tv and i'm extremely fussy.
but screen uniformity can be a problem, you either get a really good LED or a really bad one.
the Plasma looks dull and lifeless in comparison, because i really notice it when i come home and turn on my tv, especially during the day.
my concern with LED is vertical banding and clouding, but if you're lucky and you dont see it, it looks brilliant, but if you do it drives you crazy.
OLED ?????????? i'm not sure, i keep staring at it in different shops and it still looks wrong.........my guess is it looks wrong in Vivid mode, because i've never seen blacks like during the day in real life...only at night.
buying this LED is going to be really tricky
but screen uniformity can be a problem, you either get a really good LED or a really bad one.
the Plasma looks dull and lifeless in comparison, because i really notice it when i come home and turn on my tv, especially during the day.
my concern with LED is vertical banding and clouding, but if you're lucky and you dont see it, it looks brilliant, but if you do it drives you crazy.
OLED ?????????? i'm not sure, i keep staring at it in different shops and it still looks wrong.........my guess is it looks wrong in Vivid mode, because i've never seen blacks like during the day in real life...only at night.
buying this LED is going to be really tricky
i saw that tv this afternoon, plus there's another 10 that are equally as good..... none of these have blacks as good as the plasma, but good enough because they're deffo close, because it's 3 years ago when it looked really bad.
LEDs look awesome and beautiful, they have stunning colours and contrast on 4K, i just cant stop staring at them.
anyone that thinks an LED looks bad probably hasn't taken a really good look at them recently and is basing their judgement on 2 to 3 years ago.
LEDs look awesome and beautiful, they have stunning colours and contrast on 4K, i just cant stop staring at them.
anyone that thinks an LED looks bad probably hasn't taken a really good look at them recently and is basing their judgement on 2 to 3 years ago.
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whether bluray thrives as a format or not...a concern over investments being fruitless seems an overreach..
afterall given the cheapness of the hardware to play , and a presumed confidence in the longevity of the hdmi video transmission standard..the investmest is peanuts in a few bluray players to ensure any investment in media is not wasted.
given 160 blurays can be stored uncompressed on £400 worth of hdds now (8tb)....then the cost of converting to digital storage will be very cheap if in the future the death of bluray is looming..with 20TB hdds predicted in a few years....
afterall given the cheapness of the hardware to play , and a presumed confidence in the longevity of the hdmi video transmission standard..the investmest is peanuts in a few bluray players to ensure any investment in media is not wasted.
given 160 blurays can be stored uncompressed on £400 worth of hdds now (8tb)....then the cost of converting to digital storage will be very cheap if in the future the death of bluray is looming..with 20TB hdds predicted in a few years....
I think you rmaths is slightly out BR's are usually max 30GB each - and usually less than that (Im going off a 500+ sampling) , you shouldn't need more than about 4tb for that amount of BR's
I thought Blu-ray was already mainstream? I know significantly more people who now buy them over DVDs.
Streaming media is not even a spec compared to both and I do not believe will ever totally go away. Some people just love to have a hard copy in their hand. And until the quality can catch up with Blu-ray without having such a negative impact on the worlds Internet infrastructure then it can never fully replace physical media.
Streaming media is not even a spec compared to both and I do not believe will ever totally go away. Some people just love to have a hard copy in their hand. And until the quality can catch up with Blu-ray without having such a negative impact on the worlds Internet infrastructure then it can never fully replace physical media.
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yup ok..so my point amount cheapness of storage is perhaps reinforced..
This is utter BS. That doesn't qualify as "decent" at all. You can get displays using the same panels that are in that Apple display for less than a quarter of the price there.
So no, a decent 27" IPS display doesn't cost £899. You can even get 42" IPS UHD displays for less than £899.
Blu-Ray 4k isn't out yet, not until close to the end of the tear.....you can only get 4k upscaling which isn't as good
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I'd say so, when you can pop into any supermarket and see stack and stack of Blu-rays i'd say the product has achieved mainstream status by quite a large margin.
Not quite. LEDs (4K or otherwise) will never reach the pure black level performance of the higher end plasmas. Heck, even a calibrated 9th generation Kuro presents a more natural picture than the latest LCD panels, which seem to be plagued by poor black levels, dirty screen effect and other uniformity issues.
Plasma displays have their own issues of course, but -for me- those issues were easier to live with.
Apparently it's pretty difficult to manufacture cost-effective 4K plasma displays.
Every year LCD has been around, the pundits have said that LCD is slowly getting better. Whilst true, the most glaring issues with respect to LCD panels are intrinsic to the limitations of the tech: You always have to depend on that backlight for illumination and it doesn't matter how smart your local dimming tech is, you will always have contrast and uniformity issues.
Of course, that's the videophile perspective; I'm still happy to watch content on a decent LCD.