will blue ray ever become mainstream?

BlairH said:
Not quite. LEDs (4K or otherwise) will never reach the pure black level performance of the higher end plasmas. Heck, even a calibrated 9th generation Kuro presents a more natural picture than the latest LCD panels, which seem to be plagued by poor black levels, dirty screen effect and other uniformity issues.

Plasma displays have their own issues of course, but -for me- those issues were easier to live with.


Apparently it's pretty difficult to manufacture cost-effective 4K plasma displays.


Every year LCD has been around, the pundits have said that LCD is slowly getting better. Whilst true, the most glaring issues with respect to LCD panels are intrinsic to the limitations of the tech: You always have to depend on that backlight for illumination and it doesn't matter how smart your local dimming tech is, you will always have contrast and uniformity issues.

Of course, that's the videophile perspective; I'm still happy to watch content on a decent LCD.
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I deffo agree with you....OLED is the best but it's too expensive and curved.

The problem LED has, is it needs lots of tech to get a good picture, both OLED and PLASMA work on their own, they dont have all these continual faults and upgrades needed to fix them...........SUHD, local Dimming, tri-luminous, these are all needed just to hide its faults, its limitations

LG are releasing flat OLED this year, plus hopefully dropping their prices, so my guess is it's best to wait till the autumn and get a 65'' 4k then.

OLED has only been around two years and it's already much more reliable than LED, because when you go onto AVForum you read too many bad posts, you never see these posts with Plasma or Oled.

finally, to get a really good 4K LED you'll need about £3500 to £6000 (SUHD or that Sony), so you're bang on an OLED price already, will a 65'' OLED 4k drop to 5 grand by Xmas?..............lets hope so.

only the very best LEDs are any good and at over 65'' they cost a bomb !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Blu ray needs one of 2 things to be mainstream.

One would be make it extremely cheap. The other would be widespread high Street rental outlets.
 
I love Blu Rays but detest with a vengeance all the piracy warnings and forced adverts. I buy Blu Rays but rip them 1:1 to my server without all the crap just the film.
 
MOOGLEYS said:
I love Blu Rays but detest with a vengeance all the piracy warnings and forced adverts. I buy Blu Rays but rip them 1:1 to my server without all the crap just the film.
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Yup this is a totally retarded thing to do, the pirated copies strip out all this yet the legit buyers have to sit through "you wouldn't steal a car...." crap.

And loading times, on a disc? Wtf?
 
I've got a blu-ray played on my PS3, set up to a reasonable-ish soundbar (I know you can never beat a dedicated audio system, but still). Whilst I do enjoy sitting down and watching something properly, it's quicker to watch the same thing off the various streaming sites out there. I tend to rip most of the Blu-Rays I do have to the nasbox and just put them in a display cabinet in the corner.
 
It's come too late in the day for it to become as prevalent as DVD was in it's time (and still is to a degree) as the age of streaming is upon us and with the plethora of services now (Netflix, Prime Instant Video, Sky etc) you really don't need physical media anymore!

Blurays final shot will be UHD Bluray, the format for which has now been finalised I believe and with so many TVs now being 4K it'll be interesting to see how good it is!
 
The only reason there are so many 4k tv's out is the general public see bigger numbers and think they must buy. It's the same with digital cameras and tbh anything really.

That's my opinion anyway.
 
Netflix and other steaming packages meant people skipped blu Ray. If you want 4k in Netflix then get their premium package, most people don't realise it is there. Need 25mbps package at least.
 
TheOtherOption said:
It's come too late in the day for it to become as prevalent as DVD was in it's time (and still is to a degree) as the age of streaming is upon us and with the plethora of services now (Netflix, Prime Instant Video, Sky etc) you really don't need physical media anymore!

Blurays final shot will be UHD Bluray, the format for which has now been finalised I believe and with so many TVs now being 4K it'll be interesting to see how good it is!
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in theory, REALLY GOOD, because 4K demo content looks miles better than 1080p, but you'll need a tv that can handle motion really well without blurring.
 
Uriel said:
Blu ray needs one of 2 things to be mainstream.

One would be make it extremely cheap. The other would be widespread high Street rental outlets.
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It doesn't need to be extremely cheap (although personally I find new releases overpriced regardless of format), but they do need to close the rather large price gap between DVD and Blu-ray releases as it's often £5 or more. They've artificially kept the price higher which has only really meant that people continue buying DVDs instead of BDs.

Rental outlets were dying before Blu-ray came about, nothing would've saved those.

In any case, Blu-ray is mainstream anyway. They're available almost everywhere DVDs are sold so it's hardly a niche product.
 
TheOtherOption said:
It's come too late in the day for it to become as prevalent as DVD was in it's time (and still is to a degree) as the age of streaming is upon us and with the plethora of services now (Netflix, Prime Instant Video, Sky etc) you really don't need physical media anymore!

Blurays final shot will be UHD Bluray, the format for which has now been finalised I believe and with so many TVs now being 4K it'll be interesting to see how good it is!
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in theory, REALLY GOOD, because 4K demo content looks miles better than 1080p, but you'll need a tv that can handle motion really well without blurring.
 
TheVoice said:
It doesn't need to be extremely cheap (although personally I find new releases overpriced regardless of format), but they do need to close the rather large price gap between DVD and Blu-ray releases as it's often £5 or more. They've artificially kept the price higher which has only really meant that people continue buying DVDs instead of BDs.

Rental outlets were dying before Blu-ray came about, nothing would've saved those.

In any case, Blu-ray is mainstream anyway. They're available almost everywhere DVDs are sold so it's hardly a niche product.
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BLU RAY needs a massive film content on release day, because it's no good if there's only 30 films.

blu ray 1080p failed at first (all those years ago), because there wasn't enough films to see and they were far too expensive, so i went out and brought a Denon 1080i instead.
 
Thing that I hate about Blu Rays is the forced adverts and having to wait before watching something.

So I rip all mine to my NAS, keep full quality, only one audio track and forced subtitles. Then watch with KODI.
 
blu ray is mainstream. i don't know many people without a blu ray player in their home.

4k on the other hand i reckon it will be easily another 5-7 years before it's mainstream. we need massive improvements in broadband infrastructure which no company can afford to do as well as getting rid of DVD's.

you cannot expect the film companys to release a movie on dvd, blu ray and whatever they are going to use for 4K (multiple blu rays maybe?).

so i think OP is asking the wrong question. blu ray is mainstream 4k is not and won't be for a long time.
 
my guess is 4K TV will never be mainstream in our lives :eek: because we're no further on than we were 3 years ago...you still cant get full HD content and you would've thought that this was possible by now.

it looks like a 4k tv is a waste of time, because i bet there wont be enough movies out on 4K to keep you entertained
 
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