Will deliding a 3770k with a top air cooler get me to 5ghz?

[nightrider1470]

The temptations to keep my 1155 setup and upgrade my 2500k and just get a 3770k and delide it to hopefully get to 5ghz.

Would a 3770k @5ghz be close to a 7700k?

Odds of me getting to 5ghz?

If no chance, is the Rysen 1600 good enough for running with a 1080 ti?

 

[Davedree]

I know you've been advised in the other threads, but there's a lot of people who gave you advice who haven't used or compared the I7 vs the I5 from experience. Ivy Bridge with fast memory has about a 400-500mhz advantage clock to clock to sb, with the added Ht providing greater load balancing in mutli-threaded games even if you only achieved 4.5ghz it'd still be a noticeable improvement due to the Ht. If you sell the 2500k, you can get a 2600k for 50 or 3700k for 80-100 then it's worth buying over a full system upgrade.

Sure a skylake/Kabylake or R5 are going to provide better performance better minimums and averages, but you have to evaluate whether the expense is worth it and this comes down to user preference.

 

[Rroff]

Will depend on the individual CPU - you might hit a wall around 4.5GHz where you just need stupid amounts of voltage after that and it might hit 5GHz stable but not with any amount of voltage you'd want to run it 24x7. Or you might get a chip cable of hitting 4.6-5GHz on reasonable voltages.

 

[nightrider1470]

Thanks all!! Sorry for keeping harping on!!

Just a last thought

Great advice!!

I only game for about an hour at a time in VR so a high vcore might not be a huge issue

I will look into 2600k and 3770k and weigh up my options.

I definitely need to upgrade my current 8gb Ram... Does 3770k allow higher ram speeds over 2600k?

Can you delide a 2600k? I know you can with 3770k

 

[Panos]

I believe all depends.
Let's not forget one of the factors of the perf jump between ivy and haswel (plus later ones), has to do with the transition from ddr3 to ddr4

@op instead of spending money to a 3770, maybe you could consider the option of selling the system and buying an R5 6core and overclock it to 3.9-4 with good low latency ddr4 3000 ram or better?

 

[nightrider1470]

I believe all depends.
Let's not forget one of the factors of the perf jump between ivy and haswel (plus later ones), has to do with the transition from ddr3 to ddr4

@op instead of spending money to a 3770, maybe you could consider the option of selling the system and buying an R5 6core and overclock it to 3.9-4 with good low latency ddr4 3000 ram or better?

Is the R5 6core plenty fast @4ghz for VR gaming with a 1080 ti ?

 

[pastymuncher]

The only reason to delid is to lower the temps. If you are not temp limited in the first place you won't get a higher overclock. Voltage is the main limiting factor because you will reach a point when you need silly increases in voltage for each extra 100mhz of overclock. That's when it's time to call it a day and settle with what you have. My delidded 4670k for example was never temp limited and was delidded to try to even out the temps across the cores. While I did get a 15-18 degree drop in temps I still have a core that is much cooler than the others. I didn't get any extra overclock because of the voltage it needs. It does 4.4Ghz (cache and core) with 1.275v vcore, 4.5Ghz with 1.3v which is already a big jump just for 100mhz and it just get's silly after that. A overclock of 4.6Ghz takes 1.365v, 4.7Ghz 1.42v and it's max of 4.8Ghz takes 1.45v. In the end I settled at 4.4Ghz on the core and cache as the best performance/voltage for day to day running.

 

[pandem0nium]

my delidded and lapped 3770k did 4.9 under water. I can't remember voltages, but it wasn't anything ridiculous.

 

[r7slayer]

I hit a wall on a 3570k where 4.3 is the max i get stabke. Need 1.29 volts to get 4.4 which is daft. I can hit 4.6ghz with my 3770k at 1.25 volts but after this it need 1.295 to keep 4.7 stable. Going to assume it will need close to 1.35 to get 4.8ghz stable and temps get crazy near 1.3 volts. Ive delided mine aswell and have liquid metal under the ihs and its custom watercooled.

5ghz is very optimistic i think. 4.8 ghz if youre lucky. Most tend to do 4.5 on average unless you have a bad clocker.

 

[steve258]

i7 3770k delid no ihs, die direct contact with prolimatech megahalems. 4.7ghz 1.32v, temp reaches 80-85 in prime95 small fft.

I think it's safe to say 5Ghz is going to be very difficult on air unless you have an absolute golden sample.

 

[~>Dg<~]

if you trying to achieve the unachievable i think you have answered your own question.

save the money get a new upto date platform.

 

[Bluntwrapped]

Golden chip here (3770k @ 5.1GHz)

There's no way you're going to get 5GHz stable on a air cooler. Anything above 1.3v becomes toasty, even under custom water with delid and CLU.

The heat under air would mean more volts for stability. You'll prob want to stick with 1.25v max.

Delidding doesn't always make a huge difference as some chips IHS application is worse than others. As mentioned above, if you're not temp limited it def won't help.

 

[opethdisciple]

Don't waste your money on a dead end socket/chip.

 

[imginy]

I did get my 3570k to 5ghz on air for some benchmarks but it was on ice cold day with windows open and fans cranked up and silly voltage.

24/7 I get 4.8mhz 1.4v with the a decent air cooler.

If you can get a 3770k to 4.6ghz it would match your 2500k 5ghz plus have hyper threading which helps it in a lot of new games.

 

[DragonQ]

Don't waste your money on a dead end socket/chip.

You mean like Z270?

This advice really is silly.

 

[opethdisciple]

You mean like Z270?

This advice really is silly.

A second hand 3770k is about £180 last time I looked.

What I meant was for the price your better of saving up for a modern platform. A 3770k is based on a outdated platform now.

For example put that £180 towards a Ryzen build is much more beneficial.

 

[Zeed]

Everyone told ya before and sayong once again. 5ghz on air ?? In dream when u wake up and still in dream. Even on water u need to have some Gold chip to hit 5ghz on Ivy.

Ivy overclocked like **** i know had 2 sold them kept my sandy@5 cause ivy could not get same raw power simple

 

[murah]

You can't chase 5ghz because there is no sure fire that your chip even delidded will reach it, silicone lottery my friend.

The sandy line was far better at overclocking sadly

 

[Antizippo]

I know Im digging in an old thread but go for it, get a 3770K if you haven't already.

Mine is running 5 GHz at 1.4 V and performs 1-2% better than a stock 6700K, also my ram is running at 2200 MHz if that's what you're looking for.
Temps are around 80-85*C on full load and 60-70 While gaming, with an H100i.

 

[sieze2]

The only reason to delid is to lower the temps. If you are not temp limited in the first place you won't get a higher overclock. Voltage is the main limiting factor because you will reach a point when you need silly increases in voltage for each extra 100mhz of overclock. That's when it's time to call it a day and settle with what you have. My delidded 4670k for example was never temp limited and was delidded to try to even out the temps across the cores. While I did get a 15-18 degree drop in temps I still have a core that is much cooler than the others. I didn't get any extra overclock because of the voltage it needs. It does 4.4Ghz (cache and core) with 1.275v vcore, 4.5Ghz with 1.3v which is already a big jump just for 100mhz and it just get's silly after that. A overclock of 4.6Ghz takes 1.365v, 4.7Ghz 1.42v and it's max of 4.8Ghz takes 1.45v. In the end I settled at 4.4Ghz on the core and cache as the best performance/voltage for day to day running.

What he said. A de-lid only lets me run less vcore, I can't actually overclock any higher.