Will humanity devolve to wearing nothing at all again and will the rise of homosexuality cause human

PMKeates said:
It's not a measure of the poor individuals as people, just an attempt to disincentivise poor people having children and incentivise wealthier people.

It takes a lot of investment to raise a child in to a productive contributing adult. Trying to do that starting from abject disadvantage is, in many cases, a lost cause. We may be better off focusing our efforts where there is a greater chance, and one way to 'filter' here is to start with those with wealthier parents. They will likely have more stability, better nutrition, better access to education, greater exposure to culture, travel etc. If we put resources in to encouraging these people to raise more children, we may get better results than providing child support to those who are very poor, only for them to mostly produce similarly disadvantaged children.
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It does take a lot of investment to raise a child but if you start limiting who can and can't have a child then you start to get into rather dubious moral areas. You've also got questions about how well off is enough to be sufficient to raise a child? Is a recent lottery winner who has gone from minimum wage to £10m+ now a better person to raise a child than they were before the win? They're wealthier certainly but have their moral characteristics changed to any significant degree?

Jason2 said:
1957? Don't you mean 1977?
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No, I'm talking about time-travelling Elvis impersonators. It's the only evidence we've got so far that time travel is possible.

You're quite right of course, I mistakenly typed 1957 and didn't check or change it.
 
asim18 said:
phased out as a necessity of life and homosexuality is being influx as a choice of life. Gone are the days when adolescents having their first sexual attractions initially tried to like girls, and only turned gay if it didn't work. Now it's a choice and they're both normal, a kid growing up will think "ah I remember that guy saying liking boys is normal" and will initially start having homosex with his buddies rather than even trying to get a girlfriend for heterosex..
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So when did you chose to be straight?

This is just poorly veiled homophobia in my eyes.
 
ash_scotland88 said:
So when did you chose to be straight?

This is just poorly veiled homophobia in my eyes.
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Good lord.

Did I say people choose to be straight? No.

Did I say homosexuals choose to be gay? No.

I said people can choose to be gay.

I didn't say people cannot be born gay.


You understand now?
 
asim18 said:
Good lord.

Did I say people choose to be straight? No.

Did I say homosexuals choose to be gay? No.

I said people can choose to be gay.

I didn't say people cannot be born gay.


You understand now?
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so right now you can choose to be gay?

as in seriously be attracted to and have feelings for men?
 
asim18 said:
No. I'm well passed the age of sexual exploration and maturation.
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So you're saying that people choose their sexuality up until a certain age then it's fixed forever?


Did you consciously choose to be straight?


also seriously if you've already finished your "sexual exploration" damn the rest of your life is going to be pretty bland and repetitive.
 
And since you used celebrities as your example here is one where Duncan James stumbled upon his sexuality, without choosing to have feelings:

"I was 22 when I had my first gay experience," he said. "I'd become really good friends with this guy and then I looked at him dancing on stage one night and I realised I really liked him."

And how sexuality is a fluid thing and suffers from constant exploration.

He continued: "I still enjoy having sex with girls, I find women attractive. But over the years it's been less and less relationships with girls.

"So I understand that saying, 'Bi now, gay later'. But it's 2013 and there's nothing wrong in being open with your sexuality."


But be careful, after reading this article and seeing his hot manly body you may choose to be gay:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz...s-pants-talks-sexuality-bi-now-gay-later.html


I realise this isn;t the clearest of articles and it almost sounds like a choice he made, but he says it suddenly dawned on him his feelings towards a man, and afterwards he regretted it. Like if he had a choice it wouldn't have happened.
 
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Tefal said:
So you're saying that people choose their sexuality up until a certain age then it's fixed forever?


Did you consciously choose to be straight?


also seriously if you've already finished your "sexual exploration" damn the rest of your life is going to be pretty bland and repetitive.
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Oh dear no. I'm just saying it's possible. Just possible.

Look at sexual fetishes. How do they come about? Surely you aren't born wanting to suck feet? Certain events happen during growth, certain thoughts occur, hormonal imbalances. Whether it's concious or subconscious... This is what shapes your sexual desire.

One can be furiously masturbating one day and suddenly realise he's sexually attracted to feet. Just like the Duncan James example above realising he is attracted to boys too.

No one can be genetically homosexual or heterosexual. It's genetically impossible to be homosexual or heterosexual. Genetically, it's as simple as the sperm and the egg, that is all. Mental attraction is just that, Mental. The type of women you like, your fantasies and fetishes, and whether you like boys or girls is all down to the events in your life. These "events" can happen even when you're a year old which is why people commonly think you're born gay.

You cannot be technically born gay or even straight for that matter.

If one can master his own mind, he can choose to not do the drugs he's addicted to right? You aren't born with a drug addiction, even though it becomes the norm of your life.


I hope you can somewhat understand my ramble.
 
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asim18 said:
You aren't born with a drug addiction, even though it becomes the norm of your life.
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yes you can, there's been plenty of cases where babies have been addicted to herion and alcahol or what ever else the mother has been taking.

There's also some scientific facts/theory that homosexuality is due to receiving too small a dose of a certain endorphine/chemical while in development in the womb. That is the closest to what I believe for something that "makes you gay"

asim18 said:
One can be furiously masturbating one day and suddenly realise he's sexually attracted to feet. Just like the Duncan James example above realising he is attracted to boys too.
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So now you're saying it's a realisation and not a choice?

Further question, if it's a choice surely you need to try both before making the choice? Have you tried being in love with a man and having sexual relations with him?

As usual you're speaking a bunch of bull and trying to claim your own beliefs as fact.
 
asim18 said:
Oh dear no. I'm just saying it's possible. Just possible.

Look at sexual fetishes. How do they come about? Surely you aren't born wanting to suck feet? Certain events happen during growth, certain thoughts occur, hormonal imbalances. Whether it's concious or subconscious... This is what shapes your sexual desire.

One can be furiously masturbating one day and suddenly realise he's sexually attracted to feet. Just like the Duncan James example above realising he is attracted to boys too.

No one can be genetically homosexual or heterosexual. It's genetically impossible to be homosexual or heterosexual. Genetically, it's as simple as the sperm and the egg, that is all. Mental attraction is just that, Mental. The type of women you like, your fantasies and fetishes, and whether you like boys or girls is all down to the events in your life. These "events" can happen even when you're a year old which is why people commonly think you're born gay.

You cannot be technically born gay or even straight for that matter.

If one can master his own mind, he can choose to not do the drugs he's addicted to right? You aren't born with a drug addiction, even though it becomes the norm of your life.


I hope you can somewhat understand my ramble.
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Im no genetics expert so im asking this legit...has it actually been proven that nobody can be genetically homosexual or hetero? Or is that just your opinion?
 
About 50% of gays is determined in the womb by chemicals/genes and the other 50% is a result of childhood sexual abuse.
 
ash_scotland88 said:
yes you can, there's been plenty of cases where babies have been addicted to herion and alcahol or what ever else the mother has been taking.
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Dear oh dear. That's a chemical addiction. Not a mental addiction. Even chemical addictions can be overcome if the mind is strong enough.
 
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